Existence of God

x Gauz x wrote:I would say that believing in god is a tad bit illogical as the bible, the word of god, commands you to do very bad things to people around the world.

The bible commands you to:

-Kill everyone who works on the sabbath
-Kill teenagers who commit gluttony or drink too much.
-Enslave people of other nations.
-Opress women.
-Kill people who happen to be homosexual.

So, do any of you think that what is listed above is, 'logical'?

State where in the bible it Commands you to do those things.

It specifically says to not kill anyone.

Could I just as easily say that it is illogical to assume that the Universe just came to be for no real reason at one particular time?

I think we're here for a reason, that we're more than just some accident in the great meth-lab that is chemistry and physics.

x Gauz x wrote:I would say that believing in god is a tad bit illogical as the bible, the word of god, commands you to do very bad things to people around the world.

The bible commands you to:

-Kill everyone who works on the sabbath
-Kill teenagers who commit gluttony or drink too much.
-Enslave people of other nations.
-Opress women.
-Kill people who happen to be homosexual.

So, do any of you think that what is listed above is, 'logical'?

HERESY, HERESY, HERESY!!! that is the Koran not the bible, the difference between the two is that the Koran is Islamic based version of the bible with many of the same prophets and with a more Islamic twist on the teachings in it. Oh ya Gauz when have you ever heard of a christian killing a child for gluttony, oppressing women, persecuting homos, enslaving people, and killing those who work on the sabbath? Have you heard of that happening, no you have not and even if it did happen it wouldn't be about religion. There would be more important reasons behind a action of that cruelty.

Death no more wrote:Oh ya Gauz when have you ever heard of a christian killing a child for gluttony, oppressing women, persecuting homos, enslaving people, and killing those who work on the sabbath?

Yes to all of those. There is nary a nation, religion or period of time that has never done those (maybe bar the last one, but there is something to do with killing people who gather sticks on the sabbath)

Kasrkin Seath wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:I would say that believing in god is a tad bit illogical as the bible, the word of god, commands you to do very bad things to people around the world.

The bible commands you to:

-Kill everyone who works on the sabbath
-Kill teenagers who commit gluttony or drink too much.
-Enslave people of other nations.
-Opress women.
-Kill people who happen to be homosexual.

So, do any of you think that what is listed above is, 'logical'?

State where in the bible it Commands you to do those things.

Gladly.

1:Kill everyone who works on the sabbath.
Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. -Exodus 20: 8-9

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. -Exodus 31:15

2:Kill teenagers who commit gluttony or drink too much.
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his mother and father, who does not heed them when they discipline them, then his mother and father shall... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. -Deut 21

3:It is okay to own slaves.
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property adn can make them slaves for life. -Leviticus 25:44

4: Oppression of Women
Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. -1 Tim 2

NOTE: There are many more verses of oppression against women, here is but one.

5: Death to homosexuals
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them has done what is detestable. They must be put to death. - Leviticus 20:13

EDIT: Suck it blue!

Cheese wrote:

Death no more wrote:Oh ya Gauz when have you ever heard of a christian killing a child for gluttony, oppressing women, persecuting homos, enslaving people, and killing those who work on the sabbath?

Yes to all of those. There is nary a nation, religion or period of time that has never done those (maybe bar the last one, but there is something to do with killing people who gather sticks on the sabbath)

Not Christianity maybe Islam or Judaism, im talking about in the modern world right now where our religions have mostly been perfected. The church has its reasons for its actions, we nor any of the other mainline religions kill a child for gluttony(maybe a fanatic or two but never the majority of the religion)

Death no more wrote:

Cheese wrote:

Death no more wrote:Oh ya Gauz when have you ever heard of a christian killing a child for gluttony, oppressing women, persecuting homos, enslaving people, and killing those who work on the sabbath?

Yes to all of those. There is nary a nation, religion or period of time that has never done those (maybe bar the last one, but there is something to do with killing people who gather sticks on the sabbath)

Not Christianity maybe Islam or Judaism, im talking about in the modern world right now where our religions have mostly been perfected. The church has its reasons for its actions, we nor any of the other mainline religions kill a child for gluttony(maybe a fanatic or two but never the majority of the religion)

Actually, the bible that you can buy in stores, encourage you to murder your child for gluttony, drinking, or disobedience. Look up ^

Death no more wrote:

Cheese wrote:

Death no more wrote:Oh ya Gauz when have you ever heard of a christian killing a child for gluttony, oppressing women, persecuting homos, enslaving people, and killing those who work on the sabbath?

Yes to all of those. There is nary a nation, religion or period of time that has never done those (maybe bar the last one, but there is something to do with killing people who gather sticks on the sabbath)

Not Christianity maybe Islam or Judaism, im talking about in the modern world right now where our religions have mostly been perfected. The church has its reasons for its actions, we nor any of the other mainline religions kill a child for gluttony(maybe a fanatic or two but never the majority of the religion)

Look up

Also, look up Ha ha, I hadnt even seen the above post when I said that

Guaz, you missed the fact that alot of those are parts of stories within the bible.

x Gauz x wrote:

1:Kill everyone who works on the sabbath.
Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. -Exodus 20: 8-9

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. -Exodus 31:15

2:Kill teenagers who commit gluttony or drink too much.
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his mother and father, who does not heed them when they discipline them, then his mother and father shall... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. -Deut 21

3:It is okay to own slaves.
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property adn can make them slaves for life. -Leviticus 25:44

4: Oppression of Women
Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. -1 Tim 2

NOTE: There are many more verses of oppression against women, here is but one.

5: Death to homosexuals
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them has done what is detestable. They must be put to death. - Leviticus 20:13

EDIT: Suck it blue!

HERESY! The books of the old testament dont really apply to Christianity, we keep the word of the lord and his commandments not the archaic laws of the Koran or of Judaism. We learn from the old testaments stories and morals, however we cannot kill another or persecute another now so none of those reading/laws apply to us. Ha! you cant suck it now

Death no more wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:

1:Kill everyone who works on the sabbath.
Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. -Exodus 20: 8-9

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. -Exodus 31:15

2:Kill teenagers who commit gluttony or drink too much.
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his mother and father, who does not heed them when they discipline them, then his mother and father shall... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. -Deut 21

3:It is okay to own slaves.
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property adn can make them slaves for life. -Leviticus 25:44

4: Oppression of Women
Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. -1 Tim 2

NOTE: There are many more verses of oppression against women, here is but one.

5: Death to homosexuals
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them has done what is detestable. They must be put to death. - Leviticus 20:13

EDIT: Suck it blue!

HERESY! The books of the old testament dont really apply to Christianity, we keep the word of the lord and his commandments not the archaic laws of the Koran or of Judaism. We learn from the old testaments stories and morals, however we cannot kill another or persecute another now so none of those reading/laws apply to us.

Would it be immature of me to say, 'Oh how God damn convenient'?

Hmmm?

And aren't these stories to be reflected in your life? It was put in the bible for that.

If you finished the bible and are looking for another good read, I would suggest Mein Kampf.

Death no more wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:

1:Kill everyone who works on the sabbath.
Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. -Exodus 20: 8-9

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. -Exodus 31:15

2:Kill teenagers who commit gluttony or drink too much.
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his mother and father, who does not heed them when they discipline them, then his mother and father shall... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. -Deut 21

3:It is okay to own slaves.
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property adn can make them slaves for life. -Leviticus 25:44

4: Oppression of Women
Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. -1 Tim 2

NOTE: There are many more verses of oppression against women, here is but one.

5: Death to homosexuals
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them has done what is detestable. They must be put to death. - Leviticus 20:13

EDIT: Suck it blue!

HERESY! The books of the old testament dont really apply to Christianity, we keep the word of the lord and his commandments not the archaic laws of the Koran or of Judaism. We learn from the old testaments stories and morals, however we cannot kill another or persecute another now so none of those reading/laws apply to us.

Excuse my double post.

If only this were the damned old testament! Death, this is in the bible that is retailed ALL OVER THE WORLD!! I looked these passages up in my NEW bible! They are there..

x Gauz x wrote:Hmmm?

And aren't these stories to be reflected in your life? It was put in the bible for that.

If you finished the bible and are looking for another good read, I would suggest Mein Kampf.

SCUM bag mother fucker, you think im some Neo-Nazi? You idiot im standing for equality while you guys accuse religion of all that is wrong while religion gave birth to society, and society has given birth to love, equality, harmony but it has given us war, hate, prejudice. It is not religions fault for its child's mishaps, it is the bad part of society that it is to blame.

Cheese wrote:

Death no more wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:

1:Kill everyone who works on the sabbath.
Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. -Exodus 20: 8-9

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. -Exodus 31:15

2:Kill teenagers who commit gluttony or drink too much.
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his mother and father, who does not heed them when they discipline them, then his mother and father shall... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. -Deut 21

3:It is okay to own slaves.
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property adn can make them slaves for life. -Leviticus 25:44

4: Oppression of Women
Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. -1 Tim 2

NOTE: There are many more verses of oppression against women, here is but one.

5: Death to homosexuals
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them has done what is detestable. They must be put to death. - Leviticus 20:13

EDIT: Suck it blue!

HERESY! The books of the old testament dont really apply to Christianity, we keep the word of the lord and his commandments not the archaic laws of the Koran or of Judaism. We learn from the old testaments stories and morals, however we cannot kill another or persecute another now so none of those reading/laws apply to us.

Would it be immature of me to say, 'Oh how God damn convenient'?

It is true, not like I pulled it out of my ass just to give me a advantage, its the truth(sorry for double post)

Death no more wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:Hmmm?

And aren't these stories to be reflected in your life? It was put in the bible for that.

If you finished the bible and are looking for another good read, I would suggest Mein Kampf.

SCUM bag mother fucker, you think im some Neo-Nazi? You idiot im standing for equality while you guys accuse religion of all that is wrong while religion gave birth to society, and society has given birth to love, equality, harmony but it has given us war, hate, prejudice. It is not religions fault for its child's mishaps, it is the bad part of society that it is to blame.

Hahahaha, oh, you make me laugh. Please do not take this seriously or to offense. I am not relating you to a neo-nazi, I am just comparing the two books, as they are some of the only books that tell you to kill living, breathing people.

Religion has given us love, equality, and harmony you say? The equality of slavery, the love of war, and the harmony of persecution and death maybe..

I do not want you hating me, this is the debate section, enter at your own will. I am not ridiculing(sp) anyone here. I am questioning 'the word of god'.

x Gauz x wrote:

Death no more wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:Hmmm?

And aren't these stories to be reflected in your life? It was put in the bible for that.

If you finished the bible and are looking for another good read, I would suggest Mein Kampf.

SCUM bag mother fucker, you think im some Neo-Nazi? You idiot im standing for equality while you guys accuse religion of all that is wrong while religion gave birth to society, and society has given birth to love, equality, harmony but it has given us war, hate, prejudice. It is not religions fault for its child's mishaps, it is the bad part of society that it is to blame.

Hahahaha, oh, you make me laugh. Please do not take this seriously or to offense. I am not relating you to a neo-nazi, I am just comparing the two books, as they are some of the only books that tell you to kill living, breathing people.

Religion has given us love, equality, and harmony you say? The equality of slavery, the love of war, and the harmony of persecution and death maybe..

I do not want you hating me, this is the debate section, enter at your own will. I am not ridiculing(sp) anyone here. I am questioning 'the word of god'.

But does Hitler ever go back on his words and say maybe "I was wrong this isnt the right way" no he doesn't. Face the truth Gauz, religion did give us love, harmony, equality, and many others whether it happens now or later religion will spawn all that is good and destroys all that is bad. Why are we fighting over the existence of the truth? The truth is there dont close your eyes brother open them and see all that is good. Anyways we spawned all that is bad, god gave us a choice and we choose wrong we ate of the tree of knowledge(I think cant remember name?) and learned of all that is bad. Open your eyes brother, we must all see the truth someday.

x Gauz x wrote:

Death no more wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:Hmmm?

And aren't these stories to be reflected in your life? It was put in the bible for that.

If you finished the bible and are looking for another good read, I would suggest Mein Kampf.

SCUM bag mother fucker, you think im some Neo-Nazi? You idiot im standing for equality while you guys accuse religion of all that is wrong while religion gave birth to society, and society has given birth to love, equality, harmony but it has given us war, hate, prejudice. It is not religions fault for its child's mishaps, it is the bad part of society that it is to blame.

Hahahaha, oh, you make me laugh. Please do not take this seriously or to offense. I am not relating you to a neo-nazi, I am just comparing the two books, as they are some of the only books that tell you to kill living, breathing people.

Religion has given us love, equality, and harmony you say? The equality of slavery, the love of war, and the harmony of persecution and death maybe..

I do not want you hating me, this is the debate section, enter at your own will. I am not ridiculing(sp) anyone here. I am questioning 'the word of god'.

Our modern government is heavily based on Religious ideas, as well as parts of the bible itself.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:

Death no more wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:Hmmm?

And aren't these stories to be reflected in your life? It was put in the bible for that.

If you finished the bible and are looking for another good read, I would suggest Mein Kampf.

SCUM bag mother fucker, you think im some Neo-Nazi? You idiot im standing for equality while you guys accuse religion of all that is wrong while religion gave birth to society, and society has given birth to love, equality, harmony but it has given us war, hate, prejudice. It is not religions fault for its child's mishaps, it is the bad part of society that it is to blame.

Hahahaha, oh, you make me laugh. Please do not take this seriously or to offense. I am not relating you to a neo-nazi, I am just comparing the two books, as they are some of the only books that tell you to kill living, breathing people.

Religion has given us love, equality, and harmony you say? The equality of slavery, the love of war, and the harmony of persecution and death maybe..

I do not want you hating me, this is the debate section, enter at your own will. I am not ridiculing(sp) anyone here. I am questioning 'the word of god'.

Our modern government is heavily based on Religious ideas, as well as parts of the bible itself.

Thank you for proving my point that religion spawned society, and we all know society is mostly good.

Death no more wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:

Death no more wrote:

x Gauz x wrote:Hmmm?

And aren't these stories to be reflected in your life? It was put in the bible for that.

If you finished the bible and are looking for another good read, I would suggest Mein Kampf.

SCUM bag mother fucker, you think im some Neo-Nazi? You idiot im standing for equality while you guys accuse religion of all that is wrong while religion gave birth to society, and society has given birth to love, equality, harmony but it has given us war, hate, prejudice. It is not religions fault for its child's mishaps, it is the bad part of society that it is to blame.

Hahahaha, oh, you make me laugh. Please do not take this seriously or to offense. I am not relating you to a neo-nazi, I am just comparing the two books, as they are some of the only books that tell you to kill living, breathing people.

Religion has given us love, equality, and harmony you say? The equality of slavery, the love of war, and the harmony of persecution and death maybe..

I do not want you hating me, this is the debate section, enter at your own will. I am not ridiculing(sp) anyone here. I am questioning 'the word of god'.

But does Hitler ever go back on his words and say maybe "I was wrong this isnt the right way" no he doesn't. Face the truth Gauz, religion did give us love, harmony, equality, and many others whether it happens now or later religion spawns all that is good and destroys all that is bad. Why are we fighting over the existence of the truth? The truth is there dont close your eyes brother open them and see all that is good. Anyways we spawned all that is bad, god gave us a choice and we choose wrong we ate of the tree of knowledge(I think cant remember name?) and learned of all that is bad. Open your eyes brother, we must all see the truth someday.

?? Who does go back on his word and say "Maybe i'm wrong.."? God? When, and where did he say this? It is still in the bible, it is still the word of god, everything I had quoted was in the bible and the word of god.
Fighting the truth you say? Your version of 'truth' is that god is real. In this thread, we are trying to prove that right or wrong. Even though that is impossible, now my goal is to point out the negatives of religion. Not destroy it, only to point out the flaws.

Another thing, what do you mean by we? Eve choose to eat the apple from the tree she wasn't supposed to eat from. Where the fuck does it say 'we'? I would say 'Hell no bitch! That is gods tree.' There is no 'we'.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:
Our modern government is based on Religious ideas

Unfortuently.
You would think religions popularity would decrease as its absurdity is being recognized, but it instead is becoming more popular.

I blame the society, not religion. Our society should study some more.

Death no more wrote:Thank you for proving my point that religion spawned society, and we all know society is mostly good.

Sorry for the double post..

? Society currently is not in green mode, if you hadn't already known that.

x Gauz x wrote:

?? Who does go back on his word and say "Maybe i'm wrong.."? God? When, and where did he say this? It is still in the bible, it is still the word of god, everything I had quoted was in the bible and the word of god.
Fighting the truth you say? Your version of 'truth' is that god is real. In this thread, we are trying to prove that right or wrong. Even though that is impossible, now my goal is to point out the negatives of religion. Not destroy it, only to point out the flaws.

Another thing, what do you mean by we? Eve choose to eat the apple from the tree she wasn't supposed to eat from. Where the fuck does it say 'we'? I would say 'Hell no bitch! That is gods tree.' There is no 'we'.

Did I say god said that? No I meant the church. A lot of people realize their flaws and humbly confess them or at least the thought crosses their mind. Sorry about the "we" part but im being humble and confessing I was wrong about "we" If your motive is to point out the negatives than mine is to disprove your negatives and instill my positives.

x Gauz x wrote:

Death no more wrote:Thank you for proving my point that religion spawned society, and we all know society is mostly good.

Sorry for the double post..

? Society currently is not in green mode, if you hadn't already known that.

But you cant say it is totally corrupt anyways most of us have good intentions things just dont go as planned, some have to steal to survive.

The church? The church can change the bible? The word of god can be changed by the mortals? I have never heard of the church saying that the bible is wrong. Until they say it is wrong in some places, I will still frown upon that one book.

Now, about society.

Society is not good because:
-war
-economical crisis
-overpopulation
-massive amount of death in short periods of time *AKA, genocides, masacres, murder, not good stuff*

Those are but few examples that society scucks.

x Gauz x wrote:The church? The church can change the bible? The word of god can be changed by the mortals? I have never heard of the church saying that the bible is wrong. Until they say it is wrong in some places, I will still frown upon that one book.

Now, about society.

Society is not good because:
-war
-economical crisis
-overpopulation
-massive amount of death in short periods of time *AKA, genocides, masacres, murder, not good stuff*

Those are but few examples that society scucks.

Yes your right, im think im done now, im still....... confused