Existence of God

ReconToaster wrote:

What you're saying explains why it may take thousands of years for people on earth to view a spaceship traveling at the speed of light, but it doesn't explain why,

Care to elaborate on this recon?

ReconToaster wrote:

Zaki wrote:It is the same kinda thing with light. Things only happen as fast as our eyes and ears sense them. Which is very little.

But the plane that flew around the earth with the perfectly synced time clock... it was physically different. Time itself altered. There was no human relative observation involved.

What you're saying explains why it may take thousands of years for people on earth to view a spaceship traveling at the speed of light, but it doesn't explain why, when the cosmonauts (that's right) return, the Earth has actually aged billions of year in their seemingly 56 year absence. Gravity bends time. That's the idea...

Time simply a way of measuring the rate at which events occur.
Time doesn't really 'exist', it is just a name and something that we could put a measurement system to.

Relative to the Cosmonauts, only 56 years passed. Because they are traveling the speed of light, and gravity is a result of matter(and energy?) in motion, when compared to everything else time has almost, theoretically, stopped.

just throwing this out there
the speed of light has likely decreased over the course of time
it has been shown to have deceased in several experiments

Death wrote:Care to elaborate on this recon?

Care to quote the rest of that sentence?

Seath wrote:Time simply a way of measuring the rate at which events occur. Time doesn't really 'exist', it is just a name and something that we could put a measurement system to.

But when the Cosmonauts return, they are not light years away from the observer. They are RIGHT THERE. There is not perspective involved. I can understand that it takes light time to travel across the universe fast enough for us to see the ship in motion, but when it gets back THEY ARE RIGHT THERE. And yet, the people on earth will all have died of old age. The Earth may no longer even exist. The Cosmonauts will be the last of the human race.

Time itself has gone at a slower rate for the Cosmonauts. They are still alive, and yet billions of years have passed back on Earth... *head Asplodes

Hmmm...

Law of Attraction ftw...

Quantum physics

ReconToaster wrote:

Death wrote:Care to elaborate on this recon?

Care to quote the rest of that sentence?

Care to use grammar so I dont think your cutting off that idea then making a new one? The comma kinda set me off, maybe I should stop blasting Hollywood undead till my ears bleed(lol) it kinda distracts you.

ReconToaster wrote:

Death wrote:Care to elaborate on this recon?

Care to quote the rest of that sentence?

Seath wrote:Time simply a way of measuring the rate at which events occur. Time doesn't really 'exist', it is just a name and something that we could put a measurement system to.

But when the Cosmonauts return, they are not light years away from the observer. They are RIGHT THERE. There is not perspective involved. I can understand that it takes light time to travel across the universe fast enough for us to see the ship in motion, but when it gets back THEY ARE RIGHT THERE. And yet, the people on earth will all have died of old age. The Earth may no longer even exist. The Cosmonauts will be the last of the human race.

Time itself has gone at a slower rate for the Cosmonauts. They are still alive, and yet billions of years have passed back on Earth... *head Asplodes

erm... what?
A light year is a unit of measurment in distance. I was referring to seconds, minutes, hours, etc.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:

ReconToaster wrote:

Death wrote:Care to elaborate on this recon?

Care to quote the rest of that sentence?

Seath wrote:Time simply a way of measuring the rate at which events occur. Time doesn't really 'exist', it is just a name and something that we could put a measurement system to.

But when the Cosmonauts return, they are not light years away from the observer. They are RIGHT THERE. There is not perspective involved. I can understand that it takes light time to travel across the universe fast enough for us to see the ship in motion, but when it gets back THEY ARE RIGHT THERE. And yet, the people on earth will all have died of old age. The Earth may no longer even exist. The Cosmonauts will be the last of the human race.

Time itself has gone at a slower rate for the Cosmonauts. They are still alive, and yet billions of years have passed back on Earth... *head Asplodes

erm... what?
A light year is a unit of measurment in distance. I was referring to seconds, minutes, hours, etc.

That's not really time, simply a way to measure it. Just like liters aren't really...liquid (?) and meters aren't really length.

Time simply a way of measuring the rate at which events occur. Time doesn't really 'exist', it is just a name and something that we could put a measurement system to.

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But when the Cosmonauts return, they are not light years away from the observer. They are RIGHT THERE. There is not perspective involved. I can understand that it takes light time to travel across the universe fast enough for us to see the ship in motion, but when it gets back THEY ARE RIGHT THERE. And yet, the people on earth will all have died of old age. The Earth may no longer even exist. The Cosmonauts will be the last of the human race.
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That's not really time, simply a way to measure it. Just like liters aren't really...liquid (?) and meters aren't really length.
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I said time is siomply a way of measuring the rate that events occur at

Recon said something about the location of the cosmonauts which in no way related to what I had said.

I said that a light year is a measure of distance. The measurements I was referring to are those such as seconds, minutes and hours, which are measurments of time.

You stated what I stated in the first place.

Seath wrote:Recon said something about the location of the cosmonauts which in no way related to what I had said.

It was related. If a Cosmonaut take a 56 year light speed round-trip around the universe, by the time he gets back, the earth will have aged tens of billions of years, while he himself would only have aged 56 years.

Does that not show that time itself has altered, and that time is a physical object?

The time clock on the supersonic jet, and the one on the ground, turned out to show different times. This has nothing to do with light, or with relative observation. The time clocks which had once been perfectly calibrated turned out different, by exactly the amount that Einstein's equation said it would be.

The theory of relativity states that Gravity bends space-time.

Doesn't this meant that time is a physical force?

Technically, stars are in the "future".

All we see is the past in relation to stars. So a star may have died out years ago and we may not know.

this is all the proof we need for the existence of god

only god could instill such bravery

Kasrkin Seath wrote:this is all the proof we need for the existence of god

only god could instill such bravery

you have to be brave to steal a black mans kfc

Zaki90 wrote:Technically, stars are in the "future".

All we see is the past in relation to stars. So a star may have died out years ago and we may not know.

Yes, but when the Cosmonaut returns, HE IS NOT LIGHTYEARS AWAY!!!

HE is right there, back on earth, and billions of years have surpassed in his absence.

When the clock was flown around the earth at super-sonic speed... it had nothing to do with light. SPACE TIME. SPACE TIME WAS BENT. GRAVITY BENDS TIME.

The closer you get to the speed of light, the slower time goes. Why? Gravity doesn't just exist because of matter, it exists because of mater in motion. The faster something goes, the more intense the gravity 'well' gets.

For something like light which is virtually wieghtless, there isn't alot of gravity, basically none. For something like a planet or star... there is a ton.

This argument for me has gone the way of the cosmonaut...

Wayyyyy above my head

What are we trying to prove right now?

x Gauz x wrote:What are we trying to prove right now?

Discussing whether or not time is a physical force

hmmm... so we have shown that the belief God is logical?

Time is a unit of measurement, to compare the events between a duration of moving objects.

Correct?

CivBase wrote:hmmm... so we have shown that the belief God is logical?

Lol, nice try.

Cheese wrote:

CivBase wrote:hmmm... so we have shown that the belief God is logical?

Lol, nice try.

Do you have reason to disagree?

Yes... I still don't believe the universe started.

CivBase wrote:hmmm... so we have shown that the belief God is logical?

Whether or not something is "logical" is subjective, so I'm not gonna get into that. My argument was that, no matter how logical/illogical the idea in itself is, it is not a reasonable conclusion to make, given the knowledge we currently posses. There are plenty of other possibilities. While the existence of god may not be an illogical premise, the definitive belief in one is just silly.

I would say that believing in god is a tad bit illogical as the bible, the word of god, commands you to do very bad things to people around the world.

The bible commands you to:

-Kill everyone who works on the sabbath
-Kill teenagers who commit gluttony or drink too much.
-Enslave people of other nations.
-Opress women.
-Kill people who happen to be homosexual.

So, do any of you think that what is listed above is, 'logical'?