Israel and South Korea

the way things sound with both these countries nabors, it makes another conflict for both very possible in the short term

in Israel, it sounds like there preparing to attack Iran, it also sounds like they would attack Lebanon aswell in this even because of Hezbolla(sp) missile implacments on the Lebanon/Israeli border

in South Korea, turns out North Korea did sink the ROKS Cheonan, and in response to sanctions, N. Korea is threatning "all out war" and has moved more troops to it border with S. Korea


ill add that with Israel, ive been explecting a strike since November, but thinking it would of been in April

what is everyone elses thoughts on this?

Not looking good either way

Either way, the UN is backing them. Especially the US.

It would almost be good to see this. The only problem i can see us having with North Korea and China, but it would actually be a great opportunity to wipe the countires off the map, or at least stop them from being a serious threat. We really need to make sure the countires don't acheive Nuclear Weapons, however.

TNine wrote:Either way, the UN is backing them. Especially the US.

It would almost be good to see this. The only problem i can see us having with North Korea and China, but blah blah blah long-ish post...

the US does not want to get involved in a total war right now because REAL PEOPLE DIE IN WARS
of course, I'd be one of the first to say defend freedom and def help out in a war, but don't say it would be good to see it.

Agreed with BB. If the war starts, North Korea has enough artillery trained on Seoul right now that they could level the entire city in a matter of a few hours. That is not something I'd like to see.

Not to mention that the North Koreans could push as far as Seongnam, a town on the souhern outskirts of Seoul, before a proper and full response by the US military.

Now, not to discredit the South Koreans, they have a total of a regular military force numbering 3.7 million regular personnel. This may be a lot when North Korea has an army of an estimated 1.21 million armed personnel.

I, for one, have a slight feeling that the North Korean Army is better trained, but remember this is a hunch.

So all in all, if conflict arises, South Korea will be able to contain the North Koreans after they take Seoul, maybe even before they take it. But the US and the UN will take action if something does happen.

And you need to remember that North Korea is not doing so hot right now. The sanctions already in place have crippled their economy and there were reports of starvation a few months back.

King Jon Ill hasn't been seen in public for months since his stroke and it's quite possible he's terminally ill. A leaderless, starving army isn't the best to lead an invasion, albeit by desperation.

NK is armed for war. Its comparable to the Balkans right before WW1. Its a powder keg waiting to explode. All it takes is alliances, which are in place, and a event like the assassination of archduke ferdinand to start another WW.

Vigil wrote:And you need to remember that North Korea is not doing so hot right now. The sanctions already in place have crippled their economy and there were reports of starvation a few months back.

King Jon Ill hasn't been seen in public for months since his stroke and it's quite possible he's terminally ill. A leaderless, starving army isn't the best to lead an invasion, albeit by desperation.

So all in all, if conflict arises, South Korea will be able to contain the North Koreans after they take Seoul

^ This must have been ignored when you read. Even if they are leaderless, they have enough artillery and soldiers trained on Seoul to take it in the opening days of conflict. They may not be able to break out of the defensive perimeter I suppose South Korea will have in place afterwards.

I was complementing your argument ruski

Try to read

And I was reading your post....

well, i read a news report today that says that if conflict arises again in Korea, the Airforce and Navy would be our forces there, and i assume along with the Marines in Japan and Okinowa(sp)

Don't forget the Army Division thats already stationed in South Korea.

Ruski wrote:Don't forget the Army Division thats already stationed in South Korea.

yes them to, also remember SK tests its invasion sirens 2 times a year, so they know what to do

CNN says

and im making a map on what may happen if this moves to military action

I know what'll happen--ZERG RUSH!!!!

really Noc

Nocbl2 wrote:I know what'll happen--ZERG RUSH!!!!

Wow.

You guys have to remember that the North Koreans are brain washed.

I see them fighting more savagely than the Japs in WW2.

well, i see some people think this will be World War III... Idiots

- From the Los Angeles Times -

Reporting from Beijing - A defiant North Korea said late Tuesday it would sever all ties with South Korea, cut off communications and expel workers from a jointly run industrial park in a bellicose response to the South's efforts to seek redress for the sinking of one of its ships.

Although South Korea has said it will not retaliate with force, instead seeking sanctions before the U.N. Security Council, Pyongyang earlier in the day accused Seoul of making a "deliberate provocation aimed to spark off another military conflict."

In Beijing, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the United States stood firmly behind South Korea and urged China to join in condemning North Korea's behavior, as Beijing did last year when the North tested a nuclear weapon.


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"We expect to be working together with China in responding to North Korea's provocative action, and promoting stability in the region," said Clinton at the conclusion of two days of talks with Chinese officials that were supposed to concentrate on economics, but ended up being overshadowed by the Korean crisis.

Clinton flies Wednesday to Seoul. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao is also headed to Seoul to meet Friday with South Korean President Lee Myung-bak.

The South Korean naval vessel Cheonan was on patrol in the Yellow Sea on March 26 when an explosion ripped apart the hull, killing 46 crew members. Investigators last week declared what was already widely believed in South Korea: that the sinking was the result of an attack by a North Korean torpedo.

The Chinese already have signaled their reluctance to punish North Korea, infuriating both the South Koreans and the Americans.

"It is disgusting the way the Chinese just sit on their hands and do nothing. This backward and clumsy behavior is not fitting their supposed place as the predominant power in Asia," said Victor Cha, a former National Security Council Asia director now at a Washington think tank.

China's cooperation is important because it can block or water down any U.N. resolution by virtue of its permanent seat on the Security Council and because virtually everything North Korea imports or exports has to cross China's borders.

North Korea shows no signs of flinching in what is increasingly a battle of nerves with South Korea.

Pyongyang issued a flurry of threats during the day. It accused South Korea of dispatching "dozens" of warships across the maritime border and said that it would "put into force practical military measures to defend its waters.'"

North Korea said it had given permission for its soldiers to shoot at South Korean loudspeakers – a response to an announcement Monday that Seoul would resume broadcasting propaganda across the 150-mile-wide demilitarized zone that divides the peninsula.

The strongest measure, announced late in the day, was the severing of all relations and communications with South Korea. As a practical matter, that would mean closing an industrial park in Kaesong, just north of the DMZ, which was once the showcase for cooperation between the Koreas. More than half a century after the 1950-53 Korean War, there is still no telephone or postal service between the countries.

The threats looked like a tried-and-true North Korean maneuver – escalating the tensions in order to remind South Korea how vulnerable its economy is to any hint of renewed conflict on the peninsula. The Korean won dropped to its lowest level in 10 months and stocks throughout Asia sunk in part on fears of war.

"The North Koreans have an advantage here in that the South Koreans have a greater fear of war,'' said Scott Snyder, an Asia Foundation expert who co-authored a book about North Korea's negotiating behavior.

Although the South Korean public is outraged about the sinking of the ship, it has no appetite for a military response to the North.

"This has been characterized as South Korea's 9/11," said Snyder, "but people know that any military response would just bring them greater pain."

On the other hand, North Korean leader Kim Jong Il might be able to exploit rising tensions with South Korea to distract his nation's citizens from the abysmal state of their economy. His popularity has suffered because of a botched currency reform late last year. The ailing 68-year-old leader is also in the process of trying to install his youngest son, who is in his 20s, as his successor.

"Dictatorships undergoing internal political turmoil generally manifest belligerent external behavior," said the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies in a report released Tuesday.

Edit: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-koreas-20100526,0,7545974.story Here's the article on their site. It also has a video to go along with it.

Some serious shit is gonna go down.

Well duh noc. This has a possibility to get really bad really fast. Man its gonna be like well..... :SHTF: As accurate as I can put it with an emoticon.

Indecisive One. wrote:Well duh noc. This has a possibility to get really bad really fast. Man its gonna be like well..... :SHTF: As accurate as I can put it with an emoticon.

Me thinks this is closer.