Halo: Reach 2.0

Onyxknight wrote:

Ruski wrote:S-III's couldn't have even been on Reach, so it's breaking even more canon then if Halsey knows about them as well.

I think a couple books are being rewritten to acommidate for this

The fact is though Onyx, why would you establish canon over many years and then rape it? Wouldn't it make more sense to just not rape what you have established instead of just rewriting everything? It just becomes annoying and another way to profit for them.

Anyways, the matter of the fact is that it is breaking already established canon. Gamma company, the only company to be sent out near the timeframe of Reach, was sent out weeks after the Fall of Reach.

Well at least it is not going the comic book route and sticking to canon but being really really really stupid

That doesn't mean they had to be lazy with the storytelling and compromise the integrity of the universe they have previously established...

It wouldn't be too much of a hassle. There are several people on this site alone who could probably rewrite the story so that it properly respects established canon.

I'm extremely excited for the game, from what I've seen it looks to be amazing. That doesn't however mean that we cannot point out flaws in the game (and yes, violating the established canon makes the universe less integral, therefore less believable. It is a big deal) , and it doesn't mean you have to defend it by trying to convince us other parts of the game are good. Trust me, we know.

We can only hope it's an alternate universe even though that's just a bad excuse

Dud Doodoo wrote:That doesn't mean they had to be lazy with the storytelling and compromise the integrity of the universe they have previously established...

It wouldn't be too much of a hassle. There are several people on this site alone who could probably rewrite the story so that it properly respects established canon.

I'm extremely excited for the game, from what I've seen it looks to be amazing. That doesn't however mean that we cannot point out flaws in the game (and yes, violating the established canon makes the universe less integral, therefore less believable. It is a big deal) , and it doesn't mean you have to defend it by trying to convince us other parts of the game are good. Trust me, we know.

I understand this, its just i believe they may simply like this storyarc(may have used the wrong word) better than the previous canon. and with rewritting previous books they can incorporate said changes without much controversy.(which may not work but who knows)

Avenged wrote:We can only hope it's an alternate universe even though that's just a bad excuse

That's my excuse for Halo Wars.

It's like a Bizzario universe we're everything sucks

Oh yeah, someone in the Bungie Universe forum pointed out the opening cutscene said July 24th....


The battle started on August 31...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368100,00.asp


LEAKED!!!!OH GAWD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi0YFM0hKE0

Some people got REACH fully without having to buy the 1250 price tag. OH SHITT! And they put videos!

You guys keep talking about Bungie breaking cannon... what cannon? If Halsey didn't know about the S-IIIs (like I explained a few pages ago), then what are they breaking?

CivBase wrote:You guys keep talking about Bungie breaking cannon... what cannon? If Halsey didn't know about the S-IIIs (like I explained a few pages ago), then what are they breaking?

The only known S-III's (Gamma Company) that were shipped out close to Reach's timeline were shipped out after it fell.

Civ, did you miss that video where HALSEY GOES OVER THE BIO OF ALL OF NOBLE TEAM!?!? Because if so, it's a few pages back.

Hay, Rot i think this may explain the whole Emiles helmet delema

Vtrooper wrote:Hay, Rot i think this may explain the whole Emiles helmet delema

So you're WHOLE DEFENSE for Emile's helmet is a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER who is wearing a MASK?

No it is explaining how it works and uses that as an example to help you better grasp the concept

Gold Spartan wrote:

Vtrooper wrote:Hay, Rot i think this may explain the whole Emiles helmet delema

So you're WHOLE DEFENSE for Emile's helmet is a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER who is wearing a MASK?

no i found it on bungie.net and thought it could help, wait WTF the spiderman shit come from, dumb ass bungie.net goers

Rotaretilbo wrote:Civ, did you miss that video where HALSEY GOES OVER THE BIO OF ALL OF NOBLE TEAM!?!? Because if so, it's a few pages back.

Nope

CivBase wrote:

--[Cortana]--
Jorge, Noble 5.

--[Halsey]---
It's good to see him home again.

--[Probably Halsey, sounds like her]--
But the fall of Reach will weigh heavily upon him, and this mission will test every last ounce of his strength.

Cortana and Halsey are narrating, but it doesn't sound like it's from the game. She's referencing events that haven't happened yet. At this time they thought that Noble Team was investigating a simple strike force, so there's no way they could even foresee the battle itself much less the outcome.

It's just Vi-Doc narration, not in-game material. Bungie's version of a fancy introduction.

Ruski wrote:

CivBase wrote:You guys keep talking about Bungie breaking cannon... what cannon? If Halsey didn't know about the S-IIIs (like I explained a few pages ago), then what are they breaking?

The only known S-III's (Gamma Company) that were shipped out close to Reach's timeline were shipped out after it fell.

Ahem.

The Spartans in Reach are NOT Gamma Company.
And as per Evolutions, Spartan III's were being farmed out to other projects, not just suicide missions.

As for Halsey, if the vidoc is canon, then she probably wasn't involved with the Spartan II G-II program (If it exists). I mean, she isn't Cortana, she doesn't know EVERYTHING. It's possible that she had them under a roster as Spartan IIs.

I mean, come on! Does that narration REALLY sound like someone who's been following them for twenty-five years, or someone who's familiarizing themselves?

Cortona isn't talking in the vidoc... only Halsey... They have the same voice because they are the same brain

KrAzY wrote:Cortona isn't talking in the vidoc... only Halsey... They have the same voice because they are the same brain

that seems logical, she is really talking to Anti Dot, Nobles AI so they say, it is the blue dot on the screen we see, which is why i guess her name is Anti Dot

Vtrooper wrote:

KrAzY wrote:Cortona isn't talking in the vidoc... only Halsey... They have the same voice because they are the same brain

that seems logical, she is really talking to Anti Dot, Nobles AI so they say, it is the blue dot on the screen we see, which is why i guess her name is Anti Dot

Auntie Dot, not Anti-Dot. That be like saying I have an AA gun that blows up the first dimension.

Nocbl2 wrote:

Vtrooper wrote:

KrAzY wrote:Cortona isn't talking in the vidoc... only Halsey... They have the same voice because they are the same brain

that seems logical, she is really talking to Anti Dot, Nobles AI so they say, it is the blue dot on the screen we see, which is why i guess her name is Anti Dot

Auntie Dot, not Anti-Dot. That be like saying I have an AA gun that blows up the first dimension.

IM AUTISTIC, DON'T TEST MY 6th GRADE GRAMMR!!!

Vtrooper wrote:Hay, Rot i think this may explain the whole Emiles helmet delema

That's probably the stupidest example I've ever seen. Being able to see through the eyes in that could be for any number of reasons. Namely, the stitching is probably done in such a way that when you're up close, you can see through it, but not when you're far away, like a screen door.

CivBase wrote:Cortana and Halsey are narrating, but it doesn't sound like it's from the game. She's referencing events that haven't happened yet. At this time they thought that Noble Team was investigating a simple strike force, so there's no way they could even foresee the battle itself much less the outcome.

Might want to go rewatch that. It starts with "the Covenant have come to Reach and we're super fucked." And then Halsey reviews each of their bios. I'm pretty sure she even refers to them as Spartans a couple of times. Not to mention that if she's seeing their files, she knows they're wearing MJOLNIR Armor, which, in case you forgot, is so powerful that it kills non-enhanced wearers. Marines can't wear MJOLNIR.

CivBase wrote:It's just Vi-Doc narration, not in-game material. Bungie's version of a fancy introduction.

You mean Bungie's version of a fancy DESTRUCTION OF ALL THAT IS GOOD!

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Ahem.

The Spartans in Reach are NOT Gamma Company.
And as per Evolutions, Spartan III's were being farmed out to other projects, not just suicide missions.

I can believe that there were Alpha Company survivors, even though Kurt watches each individual transponder die off, but Beta Company survivors are unforgiveable. There were two, and they waited for some time before leaving. There were no other survivors.

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:As for Halsey, if the vidoc is canon, then she probably wasn't involved with the Spartan II G-II program (If it exists). I mean, she isn't Cortana, she doesn't know EVERYTHING. It's possible that she had them under a roster as Spartan IIs.

Ghosts of Onyx makes it pretty clear that S-II G-II was canceled in favor of the S-III project.

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:I mean, come on! Does that narration REALLY sound like someone who's been following them for twenty-five years, or someone who's familiarizing themselves?

The point being that knowing about them at all is bad.

Rotaretilbo wrote:

CivBase wrote:Cortana and Halsey are narrating, but it doesn't sound like it's from the game. She's referencing events that haven't happened yet. At this time they thought that Noble Team was investigating a simple strike force, so there's no way they could even foresee the battle itself much less the outcome.

Might want to go rewatch that. It starts with "the Covenant have come to Reach and we're super fucked." And then Halsey reviews each of their bios. I'm pretty sure she even refers to them as Spartans a couple of times. Not to mention that if she's seeing their files, she knows they're wearing MJOLNIR Armor, which, in case you forgot, is so powerful that it kills non-enhanced wearers. Marines can't wear MJOLNIR.

CivBase wrote:It's just Vi-Doc narration, not in-game material. Bungie's version of a fancy introduction.

You mean Bungie's version of a fancy DESTRUCTION OF ALL THAT IS GOOD!

I think you entirely missed what I was trying to say. This isn't stuff that's in the game, it's just advertisement. It's kinda like their ODST videos with Johnson narrating.

Halsey is referencing the fall of Reach in the video. At that point in time, they didn't even know Reach was going to be attacked, much less destroyed. I'm passing it off as narration until I see it in the game.

But Johnson in the ODST commercials was purely for comic sake, and also to advertise that you could play him in firefight if you bought the special addition or whatever that was.

the ODST commercials also were produced by 343 studios... not by bungie.... Bungie wouldn't have spent time on making a model for Halsey if she wasn't going to be in the game... they would have just used the voice and let people think it was cortana talking