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Post by Toaster on Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:12 am

I'm not informed enough about the topic to take a side as of yet, so I'll be doing some research. Still, I do find the US media seems to have unprecedented bias for the Israeli government.
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:35 am

ReconToaster wrote:I'm not informed enough about the topic to take a side as of yet, so I'll be doing some research. Still, I do find the US media seems to have unprecedented bias for the Israeli government.
Really?
All I see are news reports of the suffering innocents in Palestine. I'm watching CBS, what are you watching?
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Post by Toaster on Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:51 pm

Really?
All I see are news reports of the suffering innocents in Palestine. I'm watching CBS, what are you watching?

Fox News? Razz
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:38 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
Really?
All I see are news reports of the suffering innocents in Palestine. I'm watching CBS, what are you watching?

Fox News? Razz
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You? Fox News?

Words fail to describe how shocked I am.
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Post by PiEdude on Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:41 pm

My grandpa(the democrat one) watches Fox just to see if they fuck up.
They do and he laughs.

And then I keep telling him that even though he doesn't like the channel, they still get the ratings when he turns it on.
He still doesn't seem to get that one.
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Post by Rotaretilbo on Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:03 pm

I'm with Recon on this one. I'm not up to date on the topic, so I'll have to do some research into it. However, based on the past, I'm probably going to be supporting Israel. Hamas has a history of launching rockets across the border from Katyusha systems, and then when Israel bombs the Katyushas and some girl happened to be playing jump rope next to the missile trucks, Israel gets all sorts of grief about the one civilian death. I mean, what the hell is the girl doing playing jump rope next to a Kaytusha truck, anyway?

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Post by Vtrooper on Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:10 pm

IDF FTW!!!
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Post by Toaster on Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:02 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
ReconToaster wrote:
Really?
All I see are news reports of the suffering innocents in Palestine. I'm watching CBS, what are you watching?

Fox News? Razz
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o.O
You? Fox News?

Words fail to describe how shocked I am.


Lol, yeah, I'm like Pie's Grandpa. I turn it on every once in a while just so I can get all angry. The other day, Glenn Beck (who is now on Fox) was getting all upset about a picture of Obama's (second) inaugural sign-in, and he and he didn't have his hand on a bible. Then he got upset that Obama mentioned "Non-Believers" (which I think is a condescending term), because I guess he think we shouldn't be included : P
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Post by PiEdude on Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:25 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
ReconToaster wrote:
Really?
All I see are news reports of the suffering innocents in Palestine. I'm watching CBS, what are you watching?

Fox News? Razz
...
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o.O
You? Fox News?

Words fail to describe how shocked I am.


Lol, yeah, I'm like Pie's Grandpa. I turn it on every once in a while just so I can get all angry. The other day, Glenn Beck (who is now on Fox) was getting all upset about a picture of Obama's (second) inaugural sign-in, and he and he didn't have his hand on a bible. Then he got upset that Obama mentioned "Non-Believers" (which I think is a condescending term), because I guess he think we shouldn't be included : P

I think it's pretty obvious why Glenn Beck is on Fox...
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Post by BBJynne on Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:36 pm

Glenn Beck is cool though cuz he was talking about the pirates saving the whales

Aarrrr

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:49 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
ReconToaster wrote:
Really?
All I see are news reports of the suffering innocents in Palestine. I'm watching CBS, what are you watching?

Fox News? Razz
...
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o.O
You? Fox News?

Words fail to describe how shocked I am.


Lol, yeah, I'm like Pie's Grandpa. I turn it on every once in a while just so I can get all angry. The other day, Glenn Beck (who is now on Fox) was getting all upset about a picture of Obama's (second) inaugural sign-in, and he and he didn't have his hand on a bible. Then he got upset that Obama mentioned "Non-Believers" (which I think is a condescending term), because I guess he think we shouldn't be included : P
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I didn't mind the non-believers part, but I got pretty upset with that civil rights nutjob who concluded his benediction with "And let White finally be right."

That elicited wild cheers from the audience... 90% of which was black.
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:56 pm

Oh, and we need a news station like Federal News Network.

Remember Starship Troopers? The FNN is the only thing they did right, besides the Bugs.
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Post by Vigil on Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:48 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Oh, and we need a news station like Federal News Network.

Remember Starship Troopers? The FNN is the only thing they did right, besides the Bugs.

He he he....That was always good for a laugh.

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Post by Toaster on Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:23 am

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Oh, and we need a news station like Federal News Network.

Remember Starship Troopers? The FNN is the only thing they did right, besides the Bugs.

That way, we can easily get our daily dose of propaganda!

Rasq wrote: I didn't mind the non-believers part, but I got pretty upset with that civil rights nutjob who concluded his benediction with "And let White finally be right."

Yeah, I'm tired of hearing all this crap about civil rights. I don't want it to ever be the focus in one of his speeches again. Being modest, and acting like it is not that big of a deal is probably the best thing we could do.

Still, there are many alive who grew up under segregation and we have to let them have their time to celebrate. We have "gone a long way," as exhausted as that phrase may be. The speech that guy was giving was actually an old thing that Black Civil Rights protesters would often recite when... protesting...
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Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:58 pm

Here's an interesting couple facts I stumbled across.

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1200000000, 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Physics

Economics

Medicine
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14000000, 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
196 2 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Joseph son
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - P eter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis

TOTAL: 129


The Jews are not promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels. Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems. Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them. Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel."
-Benjamin Netanyahu

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Post by Angatar on Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:02 pm

Last part was good.
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Post by KrAzY on Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:15 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Oh, and we need a news station like Federal News Network.

Remember Starship Troopers? The FNN is the only thing they did right, besides the Bugs.


re-read the book... they got the bugs wrong too
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:10 pm

KrAzY wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Oh, and we need a news station like Federal News Network.

Remember Starship Troopers? The FNN is the only thing they did right, besides the Bugs.


re-read the book... they got the bugs wrong too
The bugs were... alright. Not exact, but their graphics aged rather well...

But look at the costumes used throughout the movie. They just scream "God-awful 90's budget trash!"
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Post by Zaki90 on Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:09 pm

Israel has been a major problem. I have to go with Hamas. Ever since Israel existed it has caused problems. The 3 major religions were there in peace, but that got screwed up because of them.
Also...
Israel should not exist in the current place it is. Jerusalem should be controlled by no one.

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Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:16 pm

How do you respond to this quote, then?

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel."
-Benjamin Netanyahu

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Post by PiEdude on Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:05 am

Rotaretilbo wrote:How do you respond to this quote, then?

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel."
-Benjamin Netanyahu

He'd probably ask the Jews to pout down their weapons. Razz

So anyway Zaki, do you deny the Holocaust?
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Post by KristallNacht on Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:04 am

Zaki90 wrote:Jerusalem should be controlled by no one.

that doesn't even make sense
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Post by Zaki90 on Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:04 pm

PiEman wrote:
Rotaretilbo wrote:How do you respond to this quote, then?

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel."
-Benjamin Netanyahu

He'd probably ask the Jews to pout down their weapons. Razz

So anyway Zaki, do you deny the Holocaust?

More like ask everyone to put down there weapons and let things go back to how they used to be.

What do you mean by "denying" the holocaust?

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Post by BBJynne on Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:45 pm

The "way it used to be" is that Israel wasn't a country, and the British had it.
There were Palestinian Arabs there and they were more in control than the Jews (and there weren't even that many Jews)

So that can't really happen.

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Post by Zaki90 on Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:14 pm

BBJynne wrote:The "way it used to be" is that Israel wasn't a country, and the British had it.
There were Palestinian Arabs there and they were more in control than the Jews (and there weren't even that many Jews)

So that can't really happen.

I never minded who owned it. More like it was under the control of the people. So basically no one alone owned it.
No one really owned it.

I meant more like Mecca. Just with 3 religions inside of parts of a religon (Shia, Sunni)

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