Re: Homosexuality

by Ziggy Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:14 am

Yeah, expanding on what I said in the Furry thread, as long as they do not impose their beliefs in a bigoted way, or exploit their beliefs for personal gain, I am indifferent.

It just really annoys me when homosexuals act so pretentiously. It's as if being homosexual makes you important, or more important than heterosexuals. That's not to say they cannot have support groups, but when they are just so damn assertive with it, it's annoying.

The other thing that annoys me is the homosexual people that feel as though they have to behave, dress and speak in a stereotypical way, so as to assure their homosexuality and to assert it at any given opportunity, which relates back to my thoughts on their pretentiousness. If you're gay, you're gay. I don't need to know, and you don't need to make it overly obvious for the sake of personal benefit.

/end incoherent rant

by KristallNacht Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:16 am

i honestly don't know any gay guys that are this 'over-the-top' gay you speak of.

by Ziggy Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:40 am

KristallNacht wrote:i honestly don't know any gay guys that are this 'over-the-top' gay you speak of.

Consider yourself lucky. I know quite a few. They dress overly flamboyant, they are pretentious as all hell, and they talk in a certain way. Carson Cressley, prime example.

Sexual preference doesn't have any impact on your style, your voice, or your behaviour. It is homosexuals that attach these stigmas to homosexuality, thus doing themselves a disservice by damaging the reputation and image of homosexuality, and strongly distancing themselves from the status quo which then attracts more criticism and alienation from the rest of society.
That's not to say that there is anything wrong with homosexuality though.

Also, religion is entirely subjective, so none of you are really in any position whatsoever to use it as a basis for an argument.

AND also, it's rather coincedental that this thread was created, because just today we had a presentation during assembly from two openly homosexual students at our school about a new student group dedicated to supporting homosexuals and bisexuals. Pretty courageous of them, but boy oh boy, talk about social suicide at a school like mine, where the students have zero sensitivity, emotional awareness, or consideration for anything other than their own stupid bigoted beliefs.

by Toaster Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:16 am

Rotaretilbo wrote:I'm afraid that we need a none of the above. I don't not like gay people, I simply disagree with their living style. And while I do believe that gays burn in Hell, I take no pleasure in this thought, nor do I desire for them to do so.

Really? Burn in Hell? Do you also think that you'll find yourself in Hell for 'spilling your seed?'

Didn't Jesus die for your sins? You're enforcing foolish restrictions of the old testament. Go join the Westborough Baptist Church.

Rotaretilbo wrote:
All in all, this poll is generally too black and white. It only allows for support of homosexuality, which I do not, indifference to homosexuality, which I am not, dislike for homosexuals, which I do not, or hatred of homosexuals, which I do not.

You see the shift? It went from how you feel about homosexuality to how you feel about homosexuals.

I still don't see what the problem is. It sounds like you've already made your decision, but you don't feel comfortable posting it. You just told us that you think that homosexuality is, in the eyes of God, wrong, but that you personally have nothing against people who are gay.

So there you have it. You are indifferent to homosexuals. Was that so hard?

by kslidz Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:30 am

ReconToaster wrote:
Rotaretilbo wrote:I'm afraid that we need a none of the above. I don't not like gay people, I simply disagree with their living style. And while I do believe that gays burn in Hell, I take no pleasure in this thought, nor do I desire for them to do so.

Really? Burn in Hell? Do you also think that you'll find yourself in Hell for 'spilling your seed?'

Didn't Jesus die for your sins? You're enforcing foolish restrictions of the old testament. Go join the Westborough Baptist Church.

Rotaretilbo wrote:
All in all, this poll is generally too black and white. It only allows for support of homosexuality, which I do not, indifference to homosexuality, which I am not, dislike for homosexuals, which I do not, or hatred of homosexuals, which I do not.

You see the shift? It went from how you feel about homosexuality to how you feel about homosexuals.

I still don't see what the problem is. It sounds like you've already made your decision, but you don't feel comfortable posting it. You just told us that you think that homosexuality is, in the eyes of God, wrong, but that you personally have nothing against people who are gay.

So there you have it. You are indifferent to homosexuals. Was that so hard?

no he feels as i do
hate the sin not the sinner

and no homosexuality is not like having a pigmentation its like being an angry person
you may be more susceptible to being gay than another person but you still have a choice
do the research

by Gold Spartan Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:34 am

I didnt like the options, that is why I put indifferent. It went from Supporting Homosexuality to gay people. I hate the sin but not the sinners, as kslidz just said.

by Cheese Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:50 am

It's times like this we need a member to come out of the closet Razz

Volunteers?

Well, I don't really believe in the whole burning in hell thing, or choice for that matter. I do have a fair few gay friends though, and not one of them is of the high-pitched or camp variety.

If you spent an afternoon with any of them you wouldn't know.

In fact I had a conversation with one guy about how he hates the camp people on tv, 'gay accent', limp wrist and all that. Said it gives gay people a bad stereotype. I have to agree; and for a while, I wasn't sure if these people existed off of TV.

Then I was at the airport a few months later and was in a lift with someone like that. I found it hilarious, if annoying.

You know who else is gay, English people? Derren Brown! Yeah, bet you wouldn't have worked that out... I didn't anyway. P.S. we saw him in London and a guy I was with sneak hugged him. Didn't see that coming.

by Death no More Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:07 am

How am I the only one that picked burn in hell?

by PiEdude Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:15 am

laxspartan007 wrote:
kslidz wrote:um i dont like your choices

i do not agree with homosexuality and think that it is a sin but it is no more a sin than being a total jerk so.. put that choice up there

i also dont think they should be able to get married since marriage is a religious thing and homosexuality is not religious at all

religion is for the people that still have hope, and think there is an after life, awnser to me this...Why hasnt one of my prayers came true?

and why is the bible changed every few years...with a few rules, sins and other forms of tampering...

back in old times when there waz only one bible, it was revolved around giving money to the king and other religious leaders...

now why would god want money when he is already in the "after life/heaven", or why would he want the king or other religious leaders to have money?

the bible was made so society would be less savage and the crime rate would decrese...now over protective mothers can sleap at night knowing there child is trembling about "sins" and not thinking how to have real fun in life...

1. THIS IS NOT A MOTHER FUCKING RELIGION v. ATHEISM THREAD! TAKE YOUR HATE ELSEWHERE!

2. Thank you for adding nothing to this debate at all, and only instigating another topic. You fucking douche.

Ascendant Justice wrote:I....don't like them. I mean I believe that they should have rights and all but. Like for example, at one of the gay pride parades that occurred up here, it showed news coverage of the gays wearing these...absurdly disgusting outfits that only women pornstars should be wearing.

If you want to be treated like normal people, THEN FUCKING ACT LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE!!

Do not parade yourselves around with those ridiculous outfits, then whine when people don't respect you.

What AJ really wanted to say was,
Homosexuality - Page 2 Faprobocop

by **Angatar** Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:24 am

PiEman wrote:
2. Thank you for adding nothing to this debate at all, and only instigating another topic. You fucking douche.

Irony...

by Death no More Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:20 am

PiEman wrote:
laxspartan007 wrote:
kslidz wrote:um i dont like your choices

i do not agree with homosexuality and think that it is a sin but it is no more a sin than being a total jerk so.. put that choice up there

i also dont think they should be able to get married since marriage is a religious thing and homosexuality is not religious at all

religion is for the people that still have hope, and think there is an after life, awnser to me this...Why hasnt one of my prayers came true?

and why is the bible changed every few years...with a few rules, sins and other forms of tampering...

back in old times when there waz only one bible, it was revolved around giving money to the king and other religious leaders...

now why would god want money when he is already in the "after life/heaven", or why would he want the king or other religious leaders to have money?

the bible was made so society would be less savage and the crime rate would decrese...now over protective mothers can sleap at night knowing there child is trembling about "sins" and not thinking how to have real fun in life...

1. THIS IS NOT A MOTHER FUCKING RELIGION v. ATHEISM THREAD! TAKE YOUR HATE ELSEWHERE!

2. Thank you for adding nothing to this debate at all, and only instigating another topic. You fucking douche.

QFT!

by MrX Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:55 am

i dont like CAMP people if but if a lad likes another lad thats fine with me Smile

by Death no More Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:14 am

sargentbilco wrote:i dont like CAMP people if but if a lad likes another lad thats fine with me

CAMP?

by R!zZle BiZzl£ Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:14 am

i voted for burning in hell. I dont hate gay people i just hate their actions, and their actions will lead them to hell, after all its Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Smile

by **Rotaretilbo** Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:17 pm

laxspartan007 wrote:religion is for the people that still have hope, and think there is an after life, awnser to me this...Why hasnt one of my prayers came true?

I suppose that depends on what they were. God isn't your personal servant, so prayers asked out of selfishness aren't guaranteed to come true.

laxspartan007 wrote:and why is the bible changed every few years...with a few rules, sins and other forms of tampering...

I believe you're confusing the Protestant church with the Mormon church. Mormonism is a cult, where excomunication is used as a threat to keep you in the church faithfully paying your tithes, even if you don't believe what they say. The Protestant bible has changed very little over the last two centuries, and is the most well documented historical document we have, because we have copies such as the Dead Sea Scrolls that are practically originals, and, what do you know, say almost the exact same thing as the current versions.

laxspartan007 wrote:back in old times when there waz only one bible, it was revolved around giving money to the king and other religious leaders...

...have you actually read the Bible?

laxspartan007 wrote:now why would god want money when he is already in the "after life/heaven", or why would he want the king or other religious leaders to have money?

If you're referring to tithing, you give money to religious leaders so that they can survive. Religious leaders normally don't have any other job other than being a religious leader, and so, if no one paid tithes, the religious leaders would have to get other jobs and be unable to fully devote themselves to the ministry. In the old times, if you were a Levite, you were a priest and couldn't have any other job, so to ensure that you could actually feed yourself and your family, tithes were paid to the Levites.

laxspartan007 wrote:the bible was made so society would be less savage and the crime rate would decrese...now over protective mothers can sleap at night knowing there child is trembling about "sins" and not thinking how to have real fun in life...

To some degree, yes. God had the bible written to tell us what is and is not wrong, and what the punishment for our sins is, that we might turn from our ignorance.

ReconToaster wrote: Really? Burn in Hell? Do you also think that you'll find yourself in Hell for 'spilling your seed?'

Didn't Jesus die for your sins? You're enforcing foolish restrictions of the old testament. Go join the Westborough Baptist Church.

But that's precisely it. Jesus died for our sins, and I have accepted him. Otherwise, I'd be burning in Hell too. And if a gay turns from what I believe to be his sins and accepts Jesus, he won't burn in Hell either. My point was that homosexuality is just another sin like stealing or lust, and people who commit these sins and never accept Jesus go to Hell. I didn't want to sugar coat it at all or pretend to believe something I don't, that's simply what I believe.

Rotaretilbo wrote: I still don't see what the problem is. It sounds like you've already made your decision, but you don't feel comfortable posting it. You just told us that you think that homosexuality is, in the eyes of God, wrong, but that you personally have nothing against people who are gay.

So there you have it. You are indifferent to homosexuals. Was that so hard?

But I am not indifferent. I do not like homosexuality. However, this doesn't affect how I feel about homosexuals in general. As Christians, we're supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner, and that option wasn't available at all. I am not indifferent towards homosexuality - I oppose it - and I am not indifferent towards homosexuals - I neither hate them nor like them, but that doesn't mean I don't care at all about them.

by KristallNacht Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:29 pm

kslidz wrote:
you may be more susceptible to being gay than another person but you still have a choice
do the research

link to your 'research' please?

attraction isn't, and never will be, a choice.

by KristallNacht Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:32 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:
I suppose that depends on what they were. God isn't your personal servant, so prayers asked out of selfishness aren't guaranteed to come true.

"ask and it shall be given. seek and you shall find. knock and the door will be opened."

by laxspartan007 Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:36 pm

PiEman wrote:
laxspartan007 wrote:
kslidz wrote:um i dont like your choices

i do not agree with homosexuality and think that it is a sin but it is no more a sin than being a total jerk so.. put that choice up there

i also dont think they should be able to get married since marriage is a religious thing and homosexuality is not religious at all

religion is for the people that still have hope, and think there is an after life, awnser to me this...Why hasnt one of my prayers came true?

and why is the bible changed every few years...with a few rules, sins and other forms of tampering...

back in old times when there waz only one bible, it was revolved around giving money to the king and other religious leaders...

now why would god want money when he is already in the "after life/heaven", or why would he want the king or other religious leaders to have money?

the bible was made so society would be less savage and the crime rate would decrese...now over protective mothers can sleap at night knowing there child is trembling about "sins" and not thinking how to have real fun in life...

1. THIS IS NOT A MOTHER FUCKING RELIGION v. ATHEISM THREAD! TAKE YOUR HATE ELSEWHERE!

2. Thank you for adding nothing to this debate at all, and only instigating another topic. You fucking douche.

Ascendant Justice wrote:I....don't like them. I mean I believe that they should have rights and all but. Like for example, at one of the gay pride parades that occurred up here, it showed news coverage of the gays wearing these...absurdly disgusting outfits that only women pornstars should be wearing.

If you want to be treated like normal people, THEN FUCKING ACT LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE!!

Do not parade yourselves around with those ridiculous outfits, then whine when people don't respect you.

What AJ really wanted to say was,

im not an atheist...and what do you expect from me?

by Death no More Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:43 pm

KristallNacht wrote:
Rotaretilbo wrote:
I suppose that depends on what they were. God isn't your personal servant, so prayers asked out of selfishness aren't guaranteed to come true.

"ask and it shall be given. seek and you shall find. knock and the door will be opened."

Its a metaphor, it means if you do the right things you will be rewarded.

by Gauz Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:45 pm

Wow.... well uhm...

Let me clear this up, Homosexuality =/= "Drag Queens" "Flamers" "Girly". I also verily dislike the Homosexuals whom choose to be "Flaming Homo's". So I would just like to say, that most homosexuals are normal guys/girls that so happen to like men/women.

Adressing the topic of religion, if you are coming here to say that they aren't right, then please tell me that is YOUR opinion not the BIBLE's opinion. Try to not bring religion in this thread, because religion is a radical opinion, of which we are not discussing.

It would seem that we are devided into several groups, the people who are pro-homosexuality, the people who don't care, the (radical) religious people, and then the people who are disturbed by the concept of it. I am going to adress the ones against it.

Religious people who are against homosexuality, and please excuse me how I word this, are following whatever the bible says. I personally don't like the Bible as a religious text because it is rather.... immoral. Technically everyone on Earth save a few are going to hell if you abide its rules, therefore I just like to use one message in that book. God loves everyone, it is repeated in almost every paragraph in the enitre book. The Bible contradicts itself fo many times it isn't even funny, so I like to think whatever is most prominent in the book is what is acceptable. And that is, that god loves EVERYONE. People claim that God hates "fags" and it is contradicting Christianity and Gods "Word". Technically speaking, saying God hates anyone is one of the most damnable sins possible. I like to think of the Bible as a innacurate religioius text, rather a book we should actually listen to.

The people who think it is weird though I will give a break, it is probably a strange concept and have probably not been exposed to REAL homosexuality (No pun, I mean the normal ones). Now, the ones who are out right disgusted by them are usually either the religious ones or the ones who need to secure their social position or masculinity.

I personally am Pro-Homosexuality because I am rather sensitive to life, I like to give people/things chances. Most homosexuals are normal people, and even the ones that aren't are still people and deserve equal respect as anyone else in the world. The only thing I am unsure of is wether it is genetic, mental problem (would like to think it isn't...), or if it is a choice. Personally I think it is a mental... erm... "issue". I don't have another word for it, but I don't want to make it sound bad. People do not choose who they are ultimately attracted to, we all should know that.

Thats about it.... have fun multi-quoting.

by KristallNacht Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:46 pm

Death no more wrote:Its a metaphor, it means if you do the right things you will be rewarded.

wait, where do you draw the line between whats literal and whats metaphorical?

is all the bible metaphor or is it all literal?

did jesus really 'rise again' or was that just metaphor?

and to add on:

"If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death" - Leviticus

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." - Exodus

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy." - deuteronomy

"I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD." - ezekiel

"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." - Ephasiams

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." - leviticus

by Death no More Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:49 pm

KristallNacht wrote:
Death no more wrote:Its a metaphor, it means if you do the right things you will be rewarded.

wait, where do you draw the line between whats literal and whats metaphorical?

is all the bible metaphor or is it all literal?

did jesus really 'rise again' or was that just metaphor?

No Jesus rising is true, it is real. The line that you said was a metaphor.

by Gauz Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:49 pm

Could we please abstain from any non-homosexual biblical refrences? As in if it is religious and not about homosexuality, please go to the other debate thread.

That goes for everything as well, if you forget what we are debating, read the title.

by Death no More Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:50 pm

Gauz wrote:Could we please abstain from any non-homosexual biblical refrences? As in if it is religious and not about homosexuality, please go to the other debate thread.

That goes for everything as well, if you forget what we are debating, read the title.

Blame lax for derailing the thread, he started it Razz

by Gauz Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:53 pm

Then be mature and end it.

Your standpoint on homosexuality.