The point of church and such?

Nocbl2 wrote:What's the point?

Come in. Sit down. Stand up. Sing. Pray. Listen. Stand. Pray. Sing. Sit. Eat stale bread. Get drunk on wine. leave. Blarg.

Its to praise the lord by praying. I should fucking kill you for calling Eucharist "stale bread" All the things you do in this ceremony are to praise the lord in different ways, and to receive the Eucharist. You should go to church at least once a week.

x Gauz x wrote:

Dud Doodoo wrote:NO. WHEN WE PRAY WE ARE TALKING TO GOD

Does god always have one-sided conversations? Seems a bit rude, so how do you get close to him that way?

Dud Doodoo wrote:AND WHEN WE DO HIS WILL AND GLORIFY HIM WE ARE BECOMING CLOSER TO HIM.

Isn't the underlined part a form of slavery? AWWWW LUV IN PUREST FORM!

Dud Doodoo wrote: WHEN WE LEARN ABOUT HIS WORD AND THE LIFE OF HIS SON JESUS WE GROW CLOSER TO HIM.

I believe you are getting closer to his 'son', not god himself.

Dud Doodoo wrote: AS IT'S BEEN SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ONE WHO MADE YOU.

And me and my mother get along fine, i'm a good christian

One Guz() if you actually went to church then you would know that The father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all in one. If thats you Definition of slavery then your just foolish, God gave us free will, this world, a promise of eternal life/Eternal life( If Eve wasn't tempted) All he asked of us is just talk to him and give him worship. We can do what ever we want and that's the Beauty of it. I expected better of you Gauz

Cheese wrote:it wasn't even until the 16th century or something ridiculous they stopped doing it in Latin - so I doubt it was supposed to be about understanding.

Actually, the Roman Catholic Church (in Europe) did their sermons in Latin up until the mid 1960's.

Church is about sitting down and learning, praying, and celebrating with the eucharist (cuz we're all too lazy to do it on our own). Frankly, it's not that big of a deal to me so long as I learn and pray on my own time.

I don't believe in idol worship.

If god is how the bible shows him, and if he's even worth worshipping, he'll accept humankind as equals and not as lesser beings.

"Worship the ideal, not the idol"

God has an ego, he must be worshiped at all times or else he will send you to a place of eternal suffering beyond your imagination as punishment.

Dud Doodoo wrote:CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TWO WHO MADE YOU.

Fixed ;)

Nocbl2 wrote:

Dud Doodoo wrote:CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TWO WHO MADE YOU.

Fixed ;)

Are there suddenly two gods now?

RX wrote:

Nocbl2 wrote:

Dud Doodoo wrote:CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TWO WHO MADE YOU.

Fixed ;)

Are there suddenly two gods now?

*facepalm*

Nocbl2 wrote:

RX wrote:

Nocbl2 wrote:

Dud Doodoo wrote:CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TWO WHO MADE YOU.

Fixed ;)

Are there suddenly two gods now?

*facepalm*

...You didn't get what he meant, did you?

Church is for people who are too stupid to understand science.

Oh funny.

Church is for people who believe in an all knowing God that created the universe more than said flawed sciences.

x Gauz x wrote:

Dud Doodoo wrote:NO. WHEN WE PRAY WE ARE TALKING TO GOD

Does god always have one-sided conversations? Seems a bit rude, so how do you get close to him that way?

It's not entirely one-sided. You can feel if you're doing the right thing, and

x Gauz x wrote:

Dud Doodoo wrote:AND WHEN WE DO HIS WILL AND GLORIFY HIM WE ARE BECOMING CLOSER TO HIM.

Isn't the underlined part a form of slavery? AWWWW LUV IN PUREST FORM!

Only if volunteer work for a political party you love is slavery. It's a little more personal than that, but it ain't slavery. Otherwise, Obama would have been the world's biggest slaveowner.

x Gauz x wrote:

Dud Doodoo wrote: AS IT'S BEEN SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ONE WHO MADE YOU.

And me and my mother get along fine, i'm a good christian

You know what he meant.

Cheese wrote:Wasn't the (serious) point of church to formalise religion and spread it to the masses? Give you a place to go. I mean it wasn't even until the 16th century or something ridiculous they stopped doing it in Latin - so I doubt it was supposed to be about understanding.

Well, considering that PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD LATIN BACK THEN.
True, the Vatican lost sight of what the church is supposed to be about, but the Protestant faiths got back on track.

Cheese wrote:I mean without church all you'd have is a rabble of different people preaching any old thing. Look at medieval total war 2!!

Exactly. That's why a church is needed, one of the reasons.

Cheese wrote:Also: can't forget to get money. Tithes were like church tax in the old days. 1/10 of all your stuff went to them.

Right. That money is supposed to go to upkeep of the churches and help for the community. Another thing the Catholic Church got wrong.

KristallNacht wrote:I don't believe in idol worship.

If god is how the bible shows him, and if he's even worth worshipping, he'll accept humankind as equals and not as lesser beings.

So, how do you think the Bible shows him? You're the person who confused the Book of Mormon with the Holy Bible.

KristallNacht wrote:"Worship the ideal, not the idol"

That's what we do. We do not worship idols or images.

Lord Pheonix wrote:God has an ego, he must be worshiped at all times or else he will send you to a place of eternal suffering beyond your imagination as punishment.

No, we were going to a place of eternal suffering, and he threw us a lifeline. I don't know about you, but I'm grabbing that lifeline.

LH Justin wrote:Church is for people who are too stupid to understand science.

That statement is for people who are too stupid to understand religion, and don't even care in the first place.
Ignorant and apathetic.

Death no more wrote: I expected better of you Gauz

Three words...

I DON'T CARE

Honestly, its boring as hell, I just sit there and think about random shit, not god. I'm sure if god loved us he wouldn't make us go through hell on earth, boredom out of our minds.

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
So, how do you think the Bible shows him? You're the person who confused the Book of Mormon with the Holy Bible.

If the bible shows you how god truly is, he is a horrible being. He has been show, in the bible, to be a ruthless killing machine with no mercy. He caused the floods which kill millions, potentially billions of lives. He endorses slavery, death to homosexuals, unfair treatment of women, the murder of all gluttons, so on and so forth. There is much more blasphamey in the bible.

What kind of a good message is murder?

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:

Cheese wrote:Wasn't the (serious) point of church to formalise religion and spread it to the masses? Give you a place to go. I mean it wasn't even until the 16th century or something ridiculous they stopped doing it in Latin - so I doubt it was supposed to be about understanding.

Well, considering that PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD LATIN BACK THEN.
True, the Vatican lost sight of what the church is supposed to be about, but the Protestant faiths got back on track.

What? No they didnt. (I, as ever, am referring to the middle ages)

Educated people did. The middle class spoke anglo-parisian. And the working class, peasants etc spoke middle english. Chaucer wrote a whole bunch about it.

Dud wrote:Church is for people who believe in an all knowing God that created the universe more than said flawed sciences.

Flawed because Science does not claim to know all of the answers?

Rasq wrote:It's not entirely one-sided. You can feel if you're doing the right thing

Sometimes the Holy Spirit speaks through you in tongues!

Rasq wrote:the Protestant faiths got back on track.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Rasq wrote:Exactly. That's why a church is needed, one of the reasons.

Because someone preaching something other than Christianity is bad?

Rasq wrote:So, how do you think the Bible shows him?

He is a bit of an inconsiderate douche.

Rasq wrote:That's what we do. We do not worship idols or images.

As far as you're aware...

Rasq wrote:That statement is for people who are too stupid to understand religion, and don't even care in the first place.

That statement is for people who are extremely susceptible to trolls.

Cheese wrote:What? No they didnt. (I, as ever, am referring to the middle ages)

I don't know if you saw this, but on the previous page I posted that they were actually using Latin, at least in Europe, up until the mid-1960's.

Yeah I thought you meant the preachers used Latin. Rasq said the ordinary workaday folk spoke it.

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SHAWTY FIRE BURNING ON THE DANCE FLOOR!

WHOAO!

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:

Lord Pheonix wrote:God has an ego, he must be worshiped at all times or else he will send you to a place of eternal suffering beyond your imagination as punishment.

No, we were going to a place of eternal suffering, and he threw us a lifeline. I don't know about you, but I'm grabbing that lifeline.

There does not even HAVE to be a hell if God does not want it, but he keeps it so people who don't believe in him can suffer.

Or is your God not powerful enough to destroy it?



Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?

Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?

Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?

Then why call him God?”

- Epicurus

Cheese wrote:Yeah I thought you meant the preachers used Latin. Rasq said the ordinary workaday folk spoke it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was just saying that for a while, the Church was even more 'behind the times' than you'd think.

ReconToaster wrote:

Dud wrote:Church is for people who believe in an all knowing God that created the universe more than said flawed sciences.

Flawed because Science does not claim to know all of the answers?

Hey, I don't believe that science is flawed, but I'd like people to come out and admit that they don't have all of the answers a little more often. Not just scientists, but psychologists, evangelists, sociologists...

ReconToaster wrote:

Rasq wrote:the Protestant faiths got back on track.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

I never said we were perfect, or even that every Protestant faith gets it right.

ReconToaster wrote:

Rasq wrote:That statement is for people who are too stupid to understand religion, and don't even care in the first place.

That statement is for people who are extremely susceptible to trolls.

Guilty as charged.

ReconToaster wrote:

Cheese wrote:What? No they didnt. (I, as ever, am referring to the middle ages)

I don't know if you saw this, but on the previous page I posted that they were actually using Latin, at least in Europe, up until the mid-1960's.

Well, Catholics generally had a working knowledge of Latin, and there were several attempts to translate the Latin Old/New testament to old English. Hence the King James version.

x Gauz x wrote:
If the bible shows you how god truly is, he is a horrible being. He has been show, in the bible, to be a ruthless killing machine with no mercy.

After selective reading, yes.

x Gauz x wrote:He caused the floods which kill millions, potentially billions of lives.

He wiped out evil, so that good can survive. Pre-Noah earth was described in a fashion similar to Sodom and Gomorrah.

x Gauz x wrote:He endorses slavery,

If you read Deuteronomy, the Israeli slavery was similar to indentured servitude, where a man could work and be provided for in place of his debts. All terms of servitude were over on the Julibee.
You hear slavery, and you think of Southern slavery. Israeli slavery was much different, with rules for both parties.

x Gauz x wrote:death to homosexuals,

As well as lot of other things. Rules that were meant for the Israelis were repealed upon Christ's death. I'm pretty sure that the reason for the Israeli rules was social engineering, setting the Israelis apart from the rest of the earth. There's some stuff nobody knows.

x Gauz x wrote:unfair treatment of women

Prohibiting a woman from grabbing her husband's gonads to end an argument is hardly unfair treatment.

x Gauz x wrote:the murder of all gluttons

That ain't in the bible either.

Actually it is, take the time to watch this video please.

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:

KristallNacht wrote:"Worship the ideal, not the idol"

That's what we do. We do not worship idols or images.

worshipping god is idol worship.