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Post by LeafyOwNu2 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:09 pm

If arguments were not allowed the following rules should be implemented;

  • You must agree with everyone. No exceptions
  • You can not give your opinion unless it matches the opinion of the person above you. Conflicting opinions will cause an argument.
  • You may not be aggressive in any way. This includes stating your opinion in a powerful manner to prove your point. We all know that when we are aggressive it only causes more aggression.


If arguments were allowed the forum would be...

a debate forum.
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Post by Gauz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:17 pm

I'm not going to vote, because as much as I would like us to not argue in every thread, it just won't happen. The mods would have to change and become nazi's, which is why we even came to this forum.

It boils down to people needing to change how they act, which I don't think will be happening any time soon.
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Post by Dud Doodoo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:19 pm

Gauz wrote:I'm not going to vote, because as much as I would like us to not argue in every thread, it just won't happen. The mods would have to change and become nazi's, which is why we even came to this forum.

It boils down to people needing to change how they act, which I don't think will be happening any time soon.
So you don't think people should argue in the debate section...

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Post by Gauz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:23 pm

Dud Doodoo wrote:
Gauz wrote:I'm not going to vote, because as much as I would like us to not argue in every thread, it just won't happen. The mods would have to change and become nazi's, which is why we even came to this forum.

It boils down to people needing to change how they act, which I don't think will be happening any time soon.
So you don't think people should argue in the debate section...
Has anyone ever told you that you're thick headed?

No detective, I meant OUTSIDE the debate section.
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Post by LeafyOwNu2 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:26 pm

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear in my post. I was talking about arguments in the debate section. That's what the topic title says does it not?

And also, no calling people names, that causes aggression which leads to more aggression. If you want people to stop arguing in the forums maybe you should show some initiative and start yourself.
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Post by Gauz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:33 pm

If you're talking about the debate section those "rules" kind of suck. No giving opinions unless it matches the one above yours? That sounds redundant.

Well nice try, but the arguments will live on regardless.
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Post by Dud Doodoo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:43 pm

It's a joke...

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Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:00 pm

I have a feeling that this has something to do with ziggy

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Post by Ziggy on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:35 pm

Yeah, it's pretty obvious. This is what I get for trying to shut you fools up and stop you from constantly bickering. And I think that slight insult was justified, given that this thread is blatant defamation of me.
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Post by LeafyOwNu2 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:41 pm

Okay so if you get pissed of its okay for people to bicker and insult, but if we get pissed of we are immature and constantly bickering.

You make no sense...
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Post by PiEdude on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:42 pm

Amazing.

A thread about stopping argument in the Debate Section...has boiled down into arguing about arguing in the Debate Section...




















































































































*head asplodes*
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Post by Vigil on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:08 pm

No.

Opinions and debate are the cornerstone of democracy.

Sure people argue, but if we all just agreed and had all the same opinion it would be fucking boring.

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Post by Toaster on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:13 pm

Leafy, I think the proper direction to take with a thread like this would be to say that we should regulate the way we argue in the debate section.

We should try not the get hung up on personal insults, or semantic issues. We should try to be more civil, and less immature in our debating. We shouldn't let things go too far, and develop grudges. We should instead respect those with which we argue.

How's that? To suggest that we shouldn't argue at all in the debates section is just dumb...
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Post by Vigil on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:21 pm

I think he meant outside of the debate section.

But I agree with you.

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Post by Gauz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:22 pm

He actually meant in the debate section.
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Post by LeafyOwNu2 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:46 pm

Alright, apparently the sarcasm of this thread wasn't noticed.

Ziggy popped into a debate thread and said we shouldn't argue and we were trying to tell him that's what a debate was. He wouldn't hear it and called us incompetent and immature.

This was an extreme situation to show that you need to argue to have a debate. Something Ziggy didn't quite understand. Yeah others tried to come in and back Ziggy up by trying to state what he really meant but Ziggy never did.

If he wanted to complain about people arguing all over the forum then he should have brought it up in an argument that wasn't in the debate section. His logic makes no sense.

Now since this is all out of the bag and it has been established that this was a sarcastic thread. Just leave it alone and not worry about it.
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Post by Gauz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:51 pm

Sarcasm doesn't work so well via text.
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Post by LeafyOwNu2 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:00 pm

Well an extreme such as taking away everyone's opinions is kinda sarcastic enough. I'm not a communist.
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Post by Zaki90 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:08 pm

Vigil wrote:No.

Opinions and debate are the cornerstone of democracy.

Sure people argue, but if we all just agreed and had all the same opinion it would be fucking boring.

What if the democracy wants Communism?

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Post by Gauz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:30 pm

I c wut u did thar
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Post by Ascendant Justice on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:36 pm

But the real question is: Should there be debates in the arguments section?
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Post by Ziggy on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:14 pm

Leafy, why are you now pretending to represent my opinion? You don't actually know what you're talking about. What I said on a number of occasions, and in posts even before this debate thread incident, is that everybody on this forum as a whole, and across all boards, argues too much and creates conflict out of almost everything when it's unnecessary. I don't know how many times I need to say this. I never explicitly said "no arguing" or "no arguing in the debate thread". The more implicit message behind it was "don't argue every single fucking point just for the sake of arguing".

And to Vigil, I agree, we need arguing and debate. But this isn't arguing for the sake of gaining or development. This is entirely unnecessary arguing over petty issues, and trying to create arguments out of things that don't need them. It causes hostility, it creates enmity, and just ruin a lot of threads.

I think this may as well be my last post on the topic, because most of the people here fail to realise that they argue so irrationally and frequently, and think that I'm just talking shit by saying that they argue too much.
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Post by CivBase on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:35 pm

We already argue in the debate section. Banning arguing will only kill the section and what would we have left to do? Mafia and Halo only goes so far.

Besides, aside from the scientific method (which doesn't really work with moral issues), I find debating to be the best way to learn. So long as you do not try to attack your opponent personally, I see no problem with arguments.


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Post by Ringleader on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:37 pm

what about drawing contests?

yep, nope?
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Post by CivBase on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:39 pm

Rolling Eyes

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