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Post by PiEdude on Fri May 15, 2009 9:43 pm

What is the best way to combat it?

I don't think any western-industrialized nation has successfully won a war against an enemy using guerilla tactics without resorting to total destruction of all civillians and their property.

What do you think should be done against guerillas?
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Post by BBJynne on Fri May 15, 2009 9:47 pm

burn the country-side...
























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Post by czar on Fri May 15, 2009 10:27 pm

Napalm the forest.
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Post by JB on Fri May 15, 2009 11:00 pm

Use Infra-red sensors to point out targets and mark them, then take care of them accordingly (unless im missing something here >.>) otherwise burn it i guess, but finding them and taking them out via special tactics units, or using airships to attack designated set spots, I think that'd be efficient without purging an entire sanction of forest of anything.
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Post by Kasrkin Seath on Fri May 15, 2009 11:14 pm

Burn them out.
In the case of Guerilla Warfare, you need to exercise superior support, artillery and airpower.

Basically, bomb da *** outta them, the cities and the countryside
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Post by dragoon9105 on Sat May 16, 2009 12:06 am

The answer is simple

If Guerrillas are hiding a village, burn the village

If they are in the forest, Burn the Forest.

If they are dressing like civilians issue a shoot on sight command and issue warning to civilian population that they will be shot if troops are about in their town and they are in their way.

And if they are in the city, Take it, and don't let the guerrillas take it back
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Post by Ukurse on Sat May 16, 2009 12:06 am

The reason most European influenced (England, USA, Australia Etc) Countries don't win against gorilla warfare is because we use chivalry.
Well, not really, but we follow the basic idea of it.
We could blow up the country, but we don't, because there are innocent civilian, well there are heaps of other countries that couldn't care if there are innocent civilians in the area they will blow up, just as long as those innocents belong to the opposing Countries/Force's, then it is fine because they know it will have an impact on the Government.
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Post by PiEdude on Sat May 16, 2009 6:55 am

So far, pretty much all of these tactics have been used in the Vietnam War(I just finished reading a memoir by a soldier from that war) and they didn't work.

In the jungle particularly, you can't just burn all the villages, because they don't need the villages to survive.

Some may live there, but they aren't a vital resource for them.

Also, thermal-vision doesn't work in most places, in the jungle it's useless, in the desert at night, the insurgents just walk among the populace, or hide in their caves.
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Post by BBJynne on Sat May 16, 2009 1:33 pm

in the case of vietnam, the viet cong were getting support from north vietnam, we knew it


we could have invaded north vietnam (and started a war with russia, but that's not what this thread is about) to stop them from being able to hide everywhere

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Post by RX on Sat May 16, 2009 1:57 pm

Napalm, Heat detecting goggles, heat signature satelites, flamethrowers, artillery, airstrike, gunships, etc.
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Post by Gauz on Sat May 16, 2009 4:17 pm

The most effiecient way to defeat oponents fighting using guerilla tactics is to...

Exterminate the entire nations populace and destroy everything.

Perhaps not practical...
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Post by Angatar on Sat May 16, 2009 4:24 pm

The best way to deal with guerilla warfare is to give them what they want. Then once they have it they will probably come out of hiding, then kill 'em.
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Post by thane321 on Sat May 16, 2009 4:27 pm

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Post by Cheese on Sat May 16, 2009 5:23 pm

Deal with em like you'd deal with zombies: one square at a time...

Just keep securing land and moving real slow like...

Yes I am aware this is a terrible strategy.

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Post by czar on Sat May 16, 2009 5:27 pm

NAPALM TEH FAHRESTS


Guerilla Warfare Us_riverboat_using_napalm_in_vietnam
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Post by KristallNacht on Sat May 16, 2009 11:04 pm

PiEman wrote:total destruction of all civillians and their property.


why do you answer your own questions?
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Post by PiEdude on Sun May 17, 2009 10:08 am

That's obviously not the best way.

The British did this in Africa (I forget which war, but it wasn't the Boer War) by putting civillians in concentration camps, and they were heavily criticized for it.

You should at least try to gain civillian support, because if you kill everything in the country, then what was the point of the war in the first place?

If it was to kill a certain group of people, obviously they won't just be in that country, and they'll gain more sympathy and support internationally.

In the case of the Viet Cong, they were mostly in South Vietnam, and if we tried to burn South Vietnam to the ground, then what was the point of trying to defend it?
The Communists couldn't use it, but neither could we, not to mention the massive loss of life.
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Post by Cheese on Sun May 17, 2009 10:18 am

You know the Viet Cong weren't really called that? It was just made up to sound scary for the public. Their real name was the Viet Min.

Good old Stephen Fry.

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Post by PiEdude on Sun May 17, 2009 10:41 am

I actually did know that.

I just did a research project on the causes of the Vietnam War.
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Post by KristallNacht on Sun May 17, 2009 2:04 pm

PiEman wrote:
You should at least try to gain civillian support, because if you kill everything in the country, then what was the point of the war in the first place?

Land, fear, resources.
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Post by Maginot Line on Sun May 17, 2009 3:13 pm

I'd just like to point out that the main reason the VC existed was because Ngo Dinh Diem was a complete idiot. If he hadn't been put into office, the VC would not have been nearly as strong, if they were even formed.

...Thank God for Quang Duc...
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Post by dragoon9105 on Sun May 17, 2009 4:41 pm

If the option comes where you need to burn the land your defending thats called a scorched earth policy, if you cant have it then they shouldnt have it either.

It worked for russia multiple times.

And besides South vietnam was about political effects around the globe

if south Vietnam fell then most people feared it would cause a domino effect and we would lose all of southeast Asia

and If we won in south Vietnam communism would have crumbled as it would have been seen as weak as (at that time it would have lost two major conflicts)

The war was lost because he US troops were banned from invading north Vietnamese cities that were funding the rebels in south Vietnam.

Guerrila warfare is a gamble based on how determined the people you are using the strategy are in wiping you out, in SV we were "Holding the line" not "Cleaning house" like the Nazi's in Europe.
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Post by PiEdude on Mon May 18, 2009 6:01 am

KristallNacht wrote:
PiEman wrote:
You should at least try to gain civillian support, because if you kill everything in the country, then what was the point of the war in the first place?

Land, fear, resources.

The point is, what use is the land or resources, when there's nothing but ashes?
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Post by KristallNacht on Mon May 18, 2009 8:47 am

PiEman wrote:
The point is, what use is the land or resources, when there's nothing but ashes?


the fact there's only ashes is better. its easier to build where there are no other buildings or trees or wildlife.
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Post by Zaki90 on Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:56 pm

Fight fire with fire.

Have spies in the groups. Report activity. Ambush them. Then slowly conquer.

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