M27 introduction

by KristallNacht Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:13 pm

The M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle is about to enter testing within the Marine Corps as a functional replacement for the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon. Over 400 units are currently being distributed to a few battalions by H&K.

The M27 IAR is a 5.56mm full automatic rifle with a 30 round magazine. It looks much like the SCAR and M4.

The M249 SAW is a 5.56mm light machine gun that fires linked rounds, regularly set up in 100 round belts.

Does the M27 seem appropriate as a replacement for the M249s fire superiority role or does the clip size make it incompatible?

by dragoon9105 Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:15 pm

Why would they commision an Assault rifle for a LMG's role?

by KristallNacht Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:26 pm

"to enhance the automatic rifleman's maneuverability and displacement speed"

by **Kasrkin Seath** Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:38 pm

that makes no fucking sense... why not just get rid of that role all-together?

by dragoon9105 Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:41 pm

If they plan on modifying the weapon to carry a drum magazine with more than 30 rounds i'm sure it can serve the role just fine. Why this rifle anyway? it doesn't seam any different than the M4 or M16

by PiEdude Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:42 pm

KristallNacht wrote:"to enhance the automatic rifleman's maneuverability and displacement speed"

By which they mean: "Spend less money producing rounds."

by KristallNacht Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:42 pm

why would you get rid of a Fire Superiority role? The purpose of fire superiority is to suppress the enemy from both returning fire and from maneuvering with constant fire.

I read up some more on the M27 and it technically can support the Beta C-Mag 100 round drum, but isn't being marketed to the Marine Corps with them, nor has it been proven to work effectively with them.

by TNine Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:44 pm

How quickly does the M27 empty its clip? A suppressive weapon should be able to do its job for a fairly long time, no?

An assault rifle with a large clip could fill the role, but i feel like a weapon that is suppossed to keep heads down should not be running out of bullets every 30 seconds.

by laxspartan007 Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:45 pm

no...LMG's win...this shoots bullets of fail...

by dragoon9105 Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:46 pm

Hell wouldn't a modified M-16 do a better job at it than this, at least we know what the M16 can do

by KristallNacht Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:48 pm

dragoon9105 wrote:If they plan on modifying the weapon to carry a drum magazine with more than 30 rounds i'm sure it can serve the role just fine. Why this rifle anyway? it doesn't seam any different than the M4 or M16

The Marine Corps sent contracts out for an IAR to 8 different weapons manufacturers, this is what won overall and is what H&K offered. A Modified version of the SCAR and some others were entered. The 'competition' was simply for a weapon to replace the SAW that weighed less and was more reliable.

by KristallNacht Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:49 pm

dragoon9105 wrote:Hell wouldn't a modified M-16 do a better job at it than this, at least we know what the M16 can do

they actually have the M16 HBAR that is an m16 modified for sustained fire capabilities.

by **KrAzY** Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:51 pm

the H&K M27 will not jam under any tested circumstances, is highly modifiable, is lighter, is more accurate... a damn good gun if you ask me

and it does handle higher capacity drums just fine... not sure why they wouldn't be marketed to the marines without them if they are being used to replace a machine gun though

by TNine Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:53 pm

KrAzY wrote:the H&K M27 will not jam under any tested circumstances, is highly modifiable, is lighter, is more accurate... a damn good gun if you ask me

But is it better for a suppressive role?

by **KrAzY** Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:56 pm

its rate of fire is higher than that of the M249, it weighs less, and the internal components do not overheat

yes, it is a good replacement

and did I mention that the damn thing WILL NOT JAM... you can bury the thing in sand, shake it once and start firing it right away

by Rasq'uire'laskar Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:22 pm

Neither will the RPK.

But seriously, folks. I guess if it's lighter and more reliable, it's a good replacement for the M249. I had my misgivings when it was apparently introduced with only a 30-round mag, but if it IS capable of using a larger ammo supply, I'm all for it.

by **Kasrkin Seath** Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:59 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Neither will the RPK.

But seriously, folks. I guess if it's lighter and more reliable, it's a good replacement for the M249. I had my misgivings when it was apparently introduced with only a 30-round mag, but if it IS capable of using a larger ammo supply, I'm all for it.

by **Rotaretilbo** Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:13 pm

You had me at H&K.

by KristallNacht Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:36 pm

Krazy, the m16 has a higher rate of fire than the saw as well.

And in the marine times they only mention a 30 round mag and that is the commandants main concern.

And it may be lighter than the saw but it weighs nearly the same as the m16 and more than the m4.

While it may be an awesome weapon system, being a functional replacement for the saw doesn't really fit.

by PiEdude Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:59 am

KrAzY wrote:its rate of fire is higher than that of the M249, it weighs less, and the internal components do not overheat

yes, it is a good replacement

and did I mention that the damn thing WILL NOT JAM... you can bury the thing in sand, shake it once and start firing it right away

Oh wait, I have seen this before.

Still, I always thought it would just be a replacement for the SCAR.

by Nocbl2 Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:18 am

I thought they were replacing the M16 with the M27, not the M249...

It is basically impervious to sand, mud, and water, but if it's supposed to serve a fire suppression role, then it at least needs a drum magazine so it doesn't continually run out of ammo every 2 seconds.

by KristallNacht Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:00 pm

and drum magazines, as well as all expanded capacity mags, have their own wear issues to deal with, like double feeds from a full clip and no feeds for a near empty clip, due to spring compression.

by Vtrooper Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:20 pm

Only thing its missing to me is 7.62mm rounds

but THAT is because most US Military firearms use 5.56mm rounds to make carrying extra ammo easier. probibly another reason i can remember as well.

also what Rot said.

by dragoon9105 Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:41 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
But seriously, folks. I guess if it's lighter and more reliable, it's a good replacement for the M249. I had my misgivings when it was apparently introduced with only a 30-round mag, but if it IS capable of using a larger ammo supply, I'm all for it.

I agree.
As long as they actually add an extended magazine of some kind. A supressive role needs to be able to provide constant fire. When you need someone taking a break to reload it's almost as predictable as the Mg-42's need to change barrels every time it overheated.

by KristallNacht Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:17 pm

the m249 and m240 both have barrel swaps. the m249s is more based on in between firefights or when necessary, but the m240s is far more specific.

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