Rapture

I see a problem with energy in this idea.

Gauz wrote:That's not the point... I was talking about the effects it would have on the leader. I know vault 101 was sucessful, compared to the outside world at least.

He only went snooker loopy because they opened the Vault and radroaches got in and killed everyone.

Vigil wrote:

Gauz wrote:That's not the point... I was talking about the effects it would have on the leader. I know vault 101 was sucessful, compared to the outside world at least.

He only went snooker loopy because they opened the Vault and radroaches got in and killed everyone.

I believe radroaches were in there before the dad left.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:I see a problem with energy in this idea.

Depends on the size of the city. If it can hold more than 30000 people, then yeah, power will be a big issue.

I think rad roaches will be.


And sea slugs.

Vault 101 was Paradise, the Overseer was just in a panic and the vault rebels were out of their minds. they should have been let out and the door locked behind them.

dragoon9105 wrote:Vault 101 was Paradise, the Overseer was just in a panic and the vault rebels were out of their minds. they should have been let out and the door locked behind them.

Vault life would be awful.

Sure, it was sheltered and safe, but the adventure of the wasteland was way better.

Even when virtually everything and everyone was trying to kill you?

Yeah, more fun.

Has anyone mentioned this? Pollution would be one helluva problem and air supplies to, you guys gotta get the basic stuff outa the way before we think about the government ;)

Death no more wrote:Has anyone mentioned this? Pollution would be one helluva problem and air supplies to, you guys gotta get the basic stuff outa the way before we think about the government ;)

isnt that why we are discussing build rapture... to escape global warming...

Death no more wrote:Has anyone mentioned this? Pollution would be one helluva problem and air supplies to, you guys gotta get the basic stuff outa the way before we think about the government ;)

Everything would be Hydroelectric.
So...clean...

Baconsen wrote:

Death no more wrote:Has anyone mentioned this? Pollution would be one helluva problem and air supplies to, you guys gotta get the basic stuff outa the way before we think about the government ;)

Everything would be Hydroelectric.
So...clean...

Hyrdroelectric how? Tidal generators would be expensive to build/maintain, and for those you need to be in relatively shallow water. You cant have something like a hyrdroelectric dam...

Dont even bring geothermal into this, unless there is a fault line or another area located where the pressure would be bearable, its out of the question. What about earthquakes themselves? they could wreak havoc on an underwater city.

How about the Air? the atmosphere isn't pure oxygen, so you need to have some way or drawing in air from the outside world. Fresh water? sure, you could probably use something like electrolysis(sp?) along with a few other processes to generate some freshwater and/or oxygen+hydrogen(as opposed to other methods, which would require other thigs that the underwater city wouldn't have). That would sap alot of electrical energy.

What about other things like food? A self-sustaining system is nearly out of the question; you can get a few main necessities of plant life bit will still be missing many of them. Sunlight + C02 + Water =/= healthy plant. There are alot of things in the soil that would need to be artificially introduced whenever you wanted to grow something.

Lets talk about the ocean itself for a minute... it is a very corrosive enviroment. To add to that there are many life forms that could cause problems. Your underwater citie's outer skin would need to be made out of something very resistant to corrosion, and that is strong. There are sufficient materials in shallow water. Keep getting deeper though and mankind has no such materials to do this with.

Someone mentioned pollution, and I would have to say that could be a problem. Its not the most serious one though, you could honestly just dump stuff into the ocean and/or burn and vent into the ocean.

Putting those types of problems aside, you would still have to deal with the detrimental effects on the mental health of people due to being underwater for very long periods of time. Not everyone can handle it, and even when they can they can still get twitchy.

Gold Spartan5 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote:I see a problem with energy in this idea.

Depends on the size of the city. If it can hold more than 30000 people, then yeah, power will be a big issue.

No way you'd be able to cram 30,000 people into an oil tanker, or even two.
Best to stick to 5,000, and you'd still have a viable gene pool.

Baconsen wrote:

Death no more wrote:Has anyone mentioned this? Pollution would be one helluva problem and air supplies to, you guys gotta get the basic stuff outa the way before we think about the government ;)

Everything would be Hydroelectric.
So...clean...

In the middle of the ocean? What the Hell's the matter with you?
Hydroelectric dams work by dropping water from a higher elevation to a lower one. You CAN'T DO THAT below the water table.

And I know someone's going to bring up currents, so I'll put this out:
They tried it in the seventies. You'd need more carbon fiber than the Boeing Corporation is putting on the entire Dreamliner series. Best to stick to geothermal.

what about kinetic energy being made from buoys??

I dont think that would be able to generate enough energy. You would need a rather large amount of energy to keep such a city running

i mean like millions

They would have to be really big to create the bouyancy need to generate even a small amount of energy, and you have to have an area with something like large rolling waves. Besides, they would have to cover a rather large area and would cost a ton.

Thats not even all of their problems either.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:

Baconsen wrote:

Death no more wrote:Has anyone mentioned this? Pollution would be one helluva problem and air supplies to, you guys gotta get the basic stuff outa the way before we think about the government ;)

Everything would be Hydroelectric.
So...clean...

Hyrdroelectric how? Tidal generators would be expensive to build/maintain, and for those you need to be in relatively shallow water. You cant have something like a hyrdroelectric dam...
Dont even bring geothermal into this, unless there is a fault line or another area located where the pressure would be bearable, its out of the question. What about earthquakes themselves? they could wreak havoc on an underwater city.

Volcanic hot spots... These things can be used with water to create a powerful steam current qualified to create electricity.

And earthquakes occur only near fault lines, not close to the center. My example is Hawaii. Which rarely has a earthquake large enough to create a major problem.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:How about the Air? the atmosphere isn't pure oxygen, so you need to have some way or drawing in air from the outside world. Fresh water? sure, you could probably use something like electrolysis(sp?) along with a few other processes to generate some freshwater and/or oxygen+hydrogen(as opposed to other methods, which would require other thigs that the underwater city wouldn't have). That would sap alot of electrical energy.

As for the air, giant tubs of algae with giant tubes and lights overhead that connect to a filter then connected to the ventilation system should work. Yes, you can grow plants on artificial lights.

Kasrkin Seath wrote: What about other things like food? A self-sustaining system is nearly out of the question; you can get a few main necessities of plant life bit will still be missing many of them. Sunlight + C02 + Water =/= healthy plant. There are alot of things in the soil that would need to be artificially introduced whenever you wanted to grow something.

We will bring soil down. We have quite a bit nowadays. Food will easily be taken from plants and fish.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:Lets talk about the ocean itself for a minute... it is a very corrosive enviroment. To add to that there are many life forms that could cause problems. Your underwater citie's outer skin would need to be made out of something very resistant to corrosion, and that is strong. There are sufficient materials in shallow water. Keep getting deeper though and mankind has no such materials to do this with.

See, they used glass/plastic and metal. If the outer skin breaks, they shut down whatever part of the hull was breached. It's simple.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:Putting those types of problems aside, you would still have to deal with the detrimental effects on the mental health of people due to being underwater for very long periods of time. Not everyone can handle it, and even when they can they can still get twitchy.

The gangs would be the main effect of people's mental health, which imo doesn't seem so bad.

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote:

Baconsen wrote:

Death no more wrote:Has anyone mentioned this? Pollution would be one helluva problem and air supplies to, you guys gotta get the basic stuff outa the way before we think about the government ;)

Everything would be Hydroelectric.
So...clean...

Hyrdroelectric how? Tidal generators would be expensive to build/maintain, and for those you need to be in relatively shallow water. You cant have something like a hyrdroelectric dam...
Dont even bring geothermal into this, unless there is a fault line or another area located where the pressure would be bearable, its out of the question. What about earthquakes themselves? they could wreak havoc on an underwater city.

Volcanic hot spots... These things can be used with water to create a powerful steam current qualified to create electricity.

And earthquakes occur only near fault lines, not close to the center. My example is Hawaii. Which rarely has a earthquake large enough to create a major problem.

There are too many issues with the idea of an underwater Geothermal Plant for it to be chosen to be a cities life line. Its just the amount of things that could go wrong would kill the city if one of them occured.

And, once again, there are not many spots where Geothermal plants could be placed, especially in shallow water.

Also, if a small earthquake shook the structure just enough to loosen some joints, you would have leaks EVERYWHERE.

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote:How about the Air? the atmosphere isn't pure oxygen, so you need to have some way or drawing in air from the outside world. Fresh water? sure, you could probably use something like electrolysis(sp?) along with a few other processes to generate some freshwater and/or oxygen+hydrogen(as opposed to other methods, which would require other thigs that the underwater city wouldn't have). That would sap alot of electrical energy.

As for the air, giant tubs of algae with giant tubes and lights overhead that connect to a filter then connected to the ventilation system should work. Yes, you can grow plants on artificial lights.

What now?
How does that equate to the atmosphere of earth?

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote: What about other things like food? A self-sustaining system is nearly out of the question; you can get a few main necessities of plant life bit will still be missing many of them. Sunlight + C02 + Water =/= healthy plant. There are alot of things in the soil that would need to be artificially introduced whenever you wanted to grow something.

We will bring soil down. We have quite a bit nowadays. Food will easily be taken from plants and fish.

Bringing down soil would create a reliance on the surface for supplies.
There are not a huge amount of plants to take food from underwater.
To easily take food from fish, you need to actually go fish.

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote:Lets talk about the ocean itself for a minute... it is a very corrosive enviroment. To add to that there are many life forms that could cause problems. Your underwater citie's outer skin would need to be made out of something very resistant to corrosion, and that is strong. There are sufficient materials in shallow water. Keep getting deeper though and mankind has no such materials to do this with.

See, they used glass/plastic and metal. If the outer skin breaks, they shut down whatever part of the hull was breached. It's simple.

No. Its not simple. Once again, unless you are in very shallow water, your city will crumple like an aluminum can under a fat man's foot.

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote:Putting those types of problems aside, you would still have to deal with the detrimental effects on the mental health of people due to being underwater for very long periods of time. Not everyone can handle it, and even when they can they can still get twitchy.

The gangs would be the main effect of people's mental health, which imo doesn't seem so bad.

That makes no sense. Gangs? where the hell are gangs going to come from? And tell my how the situation of an underwater city would not be detrimental to someone's mental health.

If the ice melts it won't cause any major, if any at all, flooding.

Example: You have a glass of icewater filled all the way to the top. You accidentally leave it out in the sun. An hour later, you come back, you are surprised. There wasn't enough time for the water to evaporate, but the ice has melted, and there was no overflowing. How could this happen?

Because ice is less dense than water, my friends.

But I digress.

Chuckles wrote:If the ice melts it won't cause any major, if any at all, flooding.

Example: You have a glass of icewater filled all the way to the top. You accidentally leave it out in the sun. An hour later, you come back, you are surprised. There wasn't enough time for the water to evaporate, but the ice has melted, and there was no overflowing. How could this happen?

Because ice is less dense than water, my friends.

But I digress.

Now, imagine that huge chunk of ice is suspended by steel hooks over the water.
Now, as the ice melts, your cup runneth over.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, since most of the ice in Antarctica is on land, and not on the water...

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:

Chuckles wrote:If the ice melts it won't cause any major, if any at all, flooding.

Example: You have a glass of icewater filled all the way to the top. You accidentally leave it out in the sun. An hour later, you come back, you are surprised. There wasn't enough time for the water to evaporate, but the ice has melted, and there was no overflowing. How could this happen?

Because ice is less dense than water, my friends.

But I digress.

Now, imagine that huge chunk of ice is suspended by steel hooks over the water.
Now, as the ice melts, your cup runneth over.

What does this have to do with anything? Well, since most of the ice in Antarctica is on land, and not on the water...

Not to mention the giant glacier that covers Greenland....

To be fair, Chuckles, if the northern ice cap melted, this would be the case. Antarctica, however, is not pure ice. It is ice on top of land. If it melted, we'd be fucked.

Kasrkin Seath wrote:

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote:

Baconsen wrote:

Death no more wrote:Has anyone mentioned this? Pollution would be one helluva problem and air supplies to, you guys gotta get the basic stuff outa the way before we think about the government ;)

Everything would be Hydroelectric.
So...clean...

Hyrdroelectric how? Tidal generators would be expensive to build/maintain, and for those you need to be in relatively shallow water. You cant have something like a hyrdroelectric dam...
Dont even bring geothermal into this, unless there is a fault line or another area located where the pressure would be bearable, its out of the question. What about earthquakes themselves? they could wreak havoc on an underwater city.

Volcanic hot spots... These things can be used with water to create a powerful steam current qualified to create electricity.

And earthquakes occur only near fault lines, not close to the center. My example is Hawaii. Which rarely has a earthquake large enough to create a major problem.

There are too many issues with the idea of an underwater Geothermal Plant for it to be chosen to be a cities life line. Its just the amount of things that could go wrong would kill the city if one of them occured.

And, once again, there are not many spots where Geothermal plants could be placed, especially in shallow water.

Also, if a small earthquake shook the structure just enough to loosen some joints, you would have leaks EVERYWHERE.

But there are places.

And if a small earthquake shook the structure, we could easily used our modern technology to make rapture a earthquake proof city. It's not impossible.

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote:How about the Air? the atmosphere isn't pure oxygen, so you need to have some way or drawing in air from the outside world. Fresh water? sure, you could probably use something like electrolysis(sp?) along with a few other processes to generate some freshwater and/or oxygen+hydrogen(as opposed to other methods, which would require other thigs that the underwater city wouldn't have). That would sap alot of electrical energy.

As for the air, giant tubs of algae with giant tubes and lights overhead that connect to a filter then connected to the ventilation system should work. Yes, you can grow plants on artificial lights.

What now?
How does that equate to the atmosphere of earth?

Well, you got oxygen, and carbon dioxide. Nitrogen from our crap. Water vapor also. What else do you need?

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote: What about other things like food? A self-sustaining system is nearly out of the question; you can get a few main necessities of plant life bit will still be missing many of them. Sunlight + C02 + Water =/= healthy plant. There are alot of things in the soil that would need to be artificially introduced whenever you wanted to grow something.

We will bring soil down. We have quite a bit nowadays. Food will easily be taken from plants and fish.

Bringing down soil would create a reliance on the surface for supplies.
There are not a huge amount of plants to take food from underwater.
To easily take food from fish, you need to actually go fish.

Soil isn't like gas. You have soil for a pretty nice million years if it is undisturbed. Throw some worms in their and move the soil around every once and a while and you have a basically infinite of time with it.

I meant grow PLANTS underwater. As in apple trees and orange trees.

So? We have been fishing for thousands of years. Submarines will be our fishing ships.

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote:Lets talk about the ocean itself for a minute... it is a very corrosive enviroment. To add to that there are many life forms that could cause problems. Your underwater citie's outer skin would need to be made out of something very resistant to corrosion, and that is strong. There are sufficient materials in shallow water. Keep getting deeper though and mankind has no such materials to do this with.

See, they used glass/plastic and metal. If the outer skin breaks, they shut down whatever part of the hull was breached. It's simple.

No. Its not simple. Once again, unless you are in very shallow water, your city will crumple like an aluminum can under a fat man's foot.

Elaborate...

Zaki90 wrote:

Kasrkin Seath wrote:Putting those types of problems aside, you would still have to deal with the detrimental effects on the mental health of people due to being underwater for very long periods of time. Not everyone can handle it, and even when they can they can still get twitchy.

The gangs would be the main effect of people's mental health, which imo doesn't seem so bad.

That makes no sense. Gangs? where the hell are gangs going to come from? And tell my how the situation of an underwater city would not be detrimental to someone's mental health.

Gangs come from the people in the city?

The underwater city has increased pressure. People have more fears. It goes against all instinct to live in the bottom of the sea. People are going to feel a bit crammed. Fresh air will be non-existent. It's a very droopy place. Almost scary to some people. It will lead to so pretty frantic times if we begin sending people in.

Once again in bold.