Christianity vs Islam

I don't really like where this is going, especially since it will be everyone vs Zaki, who has already demonstrated a mastery of the ability to completely ignore simple facts (even better than Recon used to :p), but I guess we need some place for this to be debated so it doesn't derail other debates.

Anyway, ya, discuss!

Is this referring to who is right or who would win in a war?
Either way, Christianity FTW!

I did not ignore facts, I simply avoided addressing them in my responses.

I vote neither. They're both equally irrational.

I don't understand.

Is this a war? Um... 50 tanks!

Or is this like Christianity is the truth and I can prove it.

BTW, here the descriptions of each religion's beliefs and compare. Just to make sure everyone is on the same page on ideology and beliefs of other religions.
Mainly because some people still don't understand that Muslims believe in Jesus.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/comp_isl_chr.htm

Also, can people not answer questions that I asked someone else.
Where shall we start?

1.I've never understood why Jesus (your Son of God) would kill himself for Christians. Someone so magnificent would allow himself to be killed for just to save Christians from sin.

Can anyone shine some light on this?

2. Abraham never prayed to the Holy Spirit, Holy Son, and Holy Father. Moses never prayed to the Holy Spirit, Holy Son, and Holy Father. Adam and Eve never prayed to the Holy Spirit, Holy Son, and Holy Father.

Actually, it is against all logic that God is real. Just think about it. Not saying I'm Atheist, though; I believe in some sort of god, but like the Miwok idea that god is everyone, not in everyone.

ReconToaster wrote:I did not ignore facts, I simply avoided addressing them in my responses.

I vote neither. They're both equally irrational.

You stay out of this. Yours is just as irrational.

ReconToaster wrote:I did not ignore facts, I simply avoided addressing them in my responses.

I vote neither. They're both equally irrational.

To me, they are both Equaly incorrect.

Zaki90 wrote:
1.I've never understood why Jesus (your Son of God) would kill himself for Christians. Someone so magnificent would allow himself to be killed for just to save Christians from sin.

You know how God proscribed sacrifices to be of the highest quality in a given herd? The animals had to be unblemished, and meet certain criteria.

Since Jesus was without sin, he was the ultimate sacrifice that absolved us of our sins, and we affirm that by accepting his sacrifice as true.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 3:21-26 "21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus."

Zaki90 wrote:2. Abraham never prayed to the Holy Spirit, Holy Son, and Holy Father. Moses never prayed to the Holy Spirit, Holy Son, and Holy Father. Adam and Eve never prayed to the Holy Spirit, Holy Son, and Holy Father.

Simple: the Holy Father, Holy Spirit, and Holy Son are best thought of as facets of a diamond.
The Holy Father is God, as he created the universe and on throughout most of History.
The Holy Spirit is God as he watched over the Israelites.
The Holy Son is God as he came down to Earth as a human.

Nocbl2 wrote:Actually, it is against all logic that God is real.

Love to debate you on this.

My goodness....

ATHEISTS, THIS DOES NOT PERTAIN TO YOU! YOU CANNOT PROVE THEISTS WRONG NOR CAN YOUR PROVE YOURSELVES CORRECT, SO GTFO!

Civ: A kind word turns away anger, but a harsh word stirs up wrath.

But they started it

Turn the other cheek, Civ. Turn the other cheek.

Civ, you are only making matters worse.
When it comes down to war, Christians win.

Strength in numbers, Strength in Technology
well, numbers not so big of a factor


I am not getting invloved with the religious debate over who is right, because there is no possible way to prove it.

Debating religion?

That is.. sort of impossible to do if you want some sort of answer..
I hope you all know that.

Civ, I said I WAS NOT ATHEIST! I am just saying it was against logic that God is real. Note that I said logic, not creativity.

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Stop being a twat, Civ. Stop being a twat.

fixed.

because of somones beliefs they don't get an opinion?

Zaki90 wrote:1.I've never understood why Jesus (your Son of God) would kill himself for Christians. Someone so magnificent would allow himself to be killed for just to save Christians from sin.

Jesus didn't die for us, he died because he defied the ruling power. Also, Jesus was a normal man. His 'holiness' was embellished when the bible was rewritten 300 years after he died.

This thread is a branch off of Zaki vs Christians from the Bush President thread. If you want, I can make another thread where we can debate the existence of God, though, due to the fact that we can neither prove nor disprove God, that thread won't go anywhere.

i don't take side in this argument, if i see something i feel the need to contradict, i shall do so

LOL I have a picture that says: Halo: Holy Combat.
2000 years ago, they nailed you to a cross. Now, it's payback time.

It would be a bit more funny if we could see it, not hear it.

Google Halo, then look on images. It should be pg. 1 or 2.

Civ wrote:You stay out of this. Yours is just as irrational.

My what? My beliefs? Last I checked, I've never stated much of any finite beliefs. I don't know how the world was created and neither do you. Stop lying to yourself. Certainty breeds ignorance and you sir are ignorant.

I don't think that there's a god, but I don't completely rule out the possibilltty. I don't fully subscribe to macro evolution or the big bang theory either, but it's the best answer I can think of.

You, on the other hand, hold what you call "faith" in something which you cannot possibly find any conclusive evidence to support. Even still, the most "solid" bit of evidence that you have given me, for the support of "intelligent design," is that planets are round...

My beliefs are not irrational, as I have no finite beliefs.

Rot wrote:If you want, I can make another thread where we can debate the existence of God, though, due to the fact that we can neither prove nor disprove God, that thread won't go anywhere.

You're right, we cannot prove whether or not a god exists, but we can debate whether or not it's rational to subject yourself to a belief which has no substantial basis.

What bothers me about religious people is that they are brought up to subscribe to a system of beliefs, and rather than challenge those views, they instead opt to search for reasons as to why their pre-conceived notions must be correct.

As I've said before, trying to disprove religion is like trying to scientifically disprove some bullshit home remedy for the common cold that some house wife just made up off the top of her head. Scientists end up spending millions of dollars on conducting studies to falsify a claim that had no basis in the first place.

Here are some beliefs in Christianity that I think are wrong.

1.God will judge you by your deeds. Why is the entrance to Heaven through Jesus?

This basically says Ghanda will not go to Heaven.
2.
NEWSFLASH:
Jesus is not God. God is not Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God(In your beliefs). Not God.

The Old Testament foretells the coming of the Messiah. Is God the Messiah? No!

Is Jesus the Messiah? Yes!

If God was Jesus, then God would be the Messiah. The Old Testament says nothing of God being the Messiah. The Old Testament says nothing of God being killed on the cross. The Old Testament says nothing of God being born by a virgin.

The Old Testament says the Messiah will do these. The Messiah which is Jesus.

This using logic proves there that Jesus and God are different people. 2 different souls.



Jesus even prays to God. In John 17:1, Jesus prays to God.

Would God pray to God?
No!

My what? My beliefs? Last I checked, I've never stated much of any finite beliefs. I don't know how the world was created and neither do you. Stop lying to yourself. Certainty breeds ignorance and you sir are ignorant.

I don't think that there's a god, but I don't completely rule out the possibilltty. I don't fully subscribe to macro evolution or the big bang theory either, but it's the best answer I can think of.

You, on the other hand, hold what you call "faith" in something which you cannot possibly find any conclusive evidence to support. Even still, the most "solid" bit of evidence that you have given me, for the support of "intelligent design," is that planets are round...

My beliefs are not irrational, as I have no finite beliefs.

I would love to live in your world.

We may not know who the world was made, but we read a book that told us how!

What is wrong with lying to myself! I need to lye to myself everyday in order from keeping myself from suicide. Religion provides a reason for living. Religion is going to help us succeed. Come on. Conform with us. Don't you wanna help other people!