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Post by Kasrkin Seath on Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:04 pm

What is the best tank!!??!?


If I missed any modern tanks let me know, because know I did
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Post by PiEdude on Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:06 pm

Abrahms, no contest.
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Post by BBJynne on Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:12 pm

your forgot "car with a dude carrying an RPG riding in the back"

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Post by KrAzY on Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:01 am

it depends on what you wan't out of the tank...


IMO the abrams has the best mix of speed, armor, and firepower
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Post by KristallNacht on Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:07 am

dude...its M1A1....
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Post by Kasrkin Seath on Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:28 am

No its the M1A2, thats the most recent version of it.
You say you are joining the marines, yet you dont even know that the M1A2 exists?
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Post by PiEdude on Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:30 am

Really the only disadvantage to the M1A1(I don't know if this is still true of the A2) was it's massive fuel consumption.

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Post by KristallNacht on Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:39 pm

Kasrkin Seath wrote:No its the M1A2, thats the most recent version of it.
You say you are joining the marines, yet you dont even know that the M1A2 exists?

I went through the list of EVERY Marine Job. M1A1 Operator exists. No M1A2 in sight.
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Post by KrAzY on Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:03 pm

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=6985

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams





M1A2 has been around for a long while... but it is in army inventory... not marine inventory
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Post by Kasrkin Seath on Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:14 pm

that would explain alot
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Post by Onyxknight on Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:41 pm

PiEman wrote:Abrahms, no contest.
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Post by Jamiesway on Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:43 pm

i vote d4 the wrong one damn it thats messed up i vote the abrahms though
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Post by Gold Spartan on Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:42 pm

Onyxknight wrote:
PiEman wrote:Abrahms, no contest.
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Post by Rotaretilbo on Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:03 pm

Well, let's compare.

Main Weapon
All three tanks have 120mm cannons, though the Challenger deviates, using rifling, whereas the Abrams and Leopard prefer smoothbore. Generally a tie, though I think it is noteworthy that the Leopard carries exactly forty-two rounds for its weapon.

Secondary Weapons
The Abrams has one 12.7mm and two 7.62mm machine guns. The Leopard has two 7.62mm machine guns. The Challenger also has two 7.62mm machine guns. However, unlike the other two, the Leopard's machine guns are of German design (much like the tank), giving it an edge as far as secondary weapons go.

Armor
All three tanks use composite armor. The Abrams uses Chobham (composite ceramic), but also employs steel plating and optional depleted uranium mesh plating, though this optional plating seriously reduces its effective range and speed. The Leopard uses composite steel and tungsten on a ceramic base, similar to Chobham. The Challenger uses Dorchester (Chobham Generation 2), which is also a composite ceramic type of armor. The Challenger 2 is probably the better protected of these three.

Speed and Effective Range
The Abrams employs a new turbine-gas engine which gives it 1500 horse power, a max speed of around 42 miles per hour, but an effective range of only 290 miles. The Leopard employs a 12-cylinder diesel engine which gives it 1500 horse power, a max speed of around 45 miles per hour, and an effective range of around 340 miles. The Challenger also employs a 12-cylinder diesel engine, but only gets 1200 horse power, has a max speed of only 37 miles per hour, and an effective range of around 280 miles. Overall, the Leopard does significantly well, having the highest max speed and effective range. The Abrams cylinder-gas engine is a bit more delicate, and guzzles gas worse than regular engines.

Overall, I chose the Leopard. It had several things going for it, like German design. It's weapons are about as powerful (if not more so) and its armor not quite as thick, but it can outmaneuver either of its competitors.

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Post by A_Bearded_Swede on Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:52 am

Leopard wins.

pretty much for all the reasons Rot said.

fun fact:
takes 8 gallons just to start an Abrams, goes half a mile per gallon. Razz

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Post by Kasrkin Seath on Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:56 pm

it depends on the situation
The Abrams is the best "all-around" tank and is hailed as the best tank by most, as well as practically being in a class of its own since it takes the beast aspects of other tanks and shoves it into one hull.

Also, the Leopard top speed is 72 km/hour
thats in best conditions

The M1A2 is rated at the exact same speed,while being able to carry heavier armor and keep a high mobility.
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The ONLY drawback of the M1A2 is its high fuel consumption which could be solved by replacing the engine.

Although, that would limit the types of fuel it can take.




All in all, the Challenger, Leopard II and M1A2 are all very good tanks, each with their own advantages and disadvantages.
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Post by Rotaretilbo on Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:31 pm

Technically speaking, the Leopard is rated at 72 kph in the same conditions in which the Abrams is rated at 48 kph. Replacing the Abrams's engine may solve its gas consumption problem, but likely at the loss of speed (which it can barely afford as is). Besides, both the Abrams and the Leopard get 1500 horse power, so I doubt the Abrams can do 72 kph in the same conditions while carrying a heavier load. And since the Leopard's weapons are German make, I'm willing to bet they are superior to the Abrams's or the Challenger's. I mean, many of the good weapons the American military employs are German. Britain too. The SA80 just absolutely failed until the Brits let the Germans work out all the kinks.

Thus, the Leopard wins in both weapons and maneuverability. The only area the Leopard isn't the absolute best is armor, in which the Challenger takes the cake. The Abrams may be well rounded, but the difference in its maneuverability compared to the Leopard's is enough for me to say the Leopard is simply a better tank.

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Post by PiEdude on Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:39 pm

Hey Rot, you know what else the Germans were good at making?

Ovens and showers.
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Post by Rotaretilbo on Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:24 pm

You know what's ironic about your thinly veiled bash on Germans based on the Nazi reign during World War II? The fact that much of modern technology came out of that same nation during that same time period. The atomic bomb, the nuclear reactor, the jet engine, the cruise missile, the submarine, the parachute, the modern tank, half of all modern medical breakthroughs (such as everything we know about hypothermia and the effects of cold on the human body), etc. Germans make better weapons, better cars, better military vehicles, and yes, better household appliances, than most anyone else, and the world still hasn't gotten over the evils of a single Austrian and his cult of personality? By God, Soviet Russia probably killed more Jews than Germany did, but Stalin's name is rarely associated with mass ethnic cleansing, let alone Soviet Russia. And the Japanese probably killed more civilians and prisoners of war than either. Germany has been reduced to a country that has zero national pride and is the butt end of hundreds of thousands of ignorant jokes and hatred. So next time you decide to make a thinly veiled joke accusing Germans of being Nazis, at least make sure it's fucking funny, Pie. I want to at least get a laugh out of your ignorance.

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Post by PiEdude on Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:11 am

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Post by Rotaretilbo on Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:49 pm

Just be glad there wasn't a trap door dropping into an acid pool with acid-breathing sharks that triggered when you ran into that wall. ;)

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Post by Kasrkin Seath on Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:47 pm

Rot, the Abrams does use German weapons. And it uses british armor. The best of both worlds.

Also, both are rated at the same exact speed. and if the Leopard can keep that speed with a diesel engine then an Abrams with a diesel would manage just fine as well.

Like I said before, the Abrams is rated as a calss of its own, its only drawbacks being high cost and high fuel consumption.

Considering the budget of the U.S. Military, those factors are not too big of problems.



ALSO, German weapons are not superior just because they are German, even though the majority of weapons that come out of Germany are good.

We are the ones creating power suits and LAZORZ OF DEATH!!
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Post by PiEdude on Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:31 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:You know what's ironic about your thinly veiled bash on Germans based on the Nazi reign during World War II? The fact that much of modern technology came out of that same nation during that same time period. The atomic bomb, the nuclear reactor, the jet engine, the cruise missile, the submarine, the parachute, the modern tank, half of all modern medical breakthroughs (such as everything we know about hypothermia and the effects of cold on the human body), etc. Germans make better weapons, better cars, better military vehicles, and yes, better household appliances, than most anyone else, and the world still hasn't gotten over the evils of a single Austrian and his cult of personality? By God, Soviet Russia probably killed more Jews than Germany did, but Stalin's name is rarely associated with mass ethnic cleansing, let alone Soviet Russia. And the Japanese probably killed more civilians and prisoners of war than either. Germany has been reduced to a country that has zero national pride and is the butt end of hundreds of thousands of ignorant jokes and hatred. So next time you decide to make a thinly veiled joke accusing Germans of being Nazis, at least make sure it's fucking funny, Pie. I want to at least get a laugh out of your ignorance.

They also used that technology to kill over 12 million people systematically, and then burn their bodies.

And do you know how they got their hypothermia research done?
They put Jews in freezing water, or outside in sub-zero temperatures, to see how long they could survive.
They put prisoners in pressure chambers and waited to see how long it took for their skulls to split.
They injected their blood with blue dye, just to try and change their eye color.

While yes, Hitler was responsilble for starting this, many Germans did these things without a second thought, and not just the Hitler Youth.

So Rot, I really don't care how great their technology is, they're still some of the craziest fucking people on Earth.

EDIT: I do have some German friends, so I obviously don't hate all of them.


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Post by BBJynne on Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:49 pm

I would be offended by PiE's remarks, except that they're coming from him, and therefore mean nothing.

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:29 am

KrAzY wrote:it depends on what you wan't out of the tank...


IMO the abrams has the best mix of speed, armor, and firepower
Sigh...
I must disagree. For crew survivability and mobility, the Merkava IV is the best. As for firepower, it's about even with the M1A2.

"On a comparison done by the armor corps newsletter it was shown how the average number of crewmen killed per hit-and-penetrated tanks was reduced from 2 during the Yom Kippur War to 1.5 during the 1982 Lebanon War to 1 during the 2006 Lebanon War, thus proving how, even in face of the improvement in anti-tank weaponry, the Merkava Mark IV provides better protection to its crew."

"This platform is optimized for crew survival and rapid battle damage repair. With the use of spaced-armor techniques and quick-replacement modular designs, the design team was able to incorporate the composite armor, a derivative of rolled homogeneous armor (RHA) and Chobham armor. Additionally, the space between the inner and outer hulls is filled with diesel fuel — an economical storage method and a means of defeating HEAT rounds.

Following the model of contemporary self-propelled howitzers, the turret assembly is located nearer the rear than in most main battle tanks. This gives the crew additional protection against a frontal attack by putting the engine between them and the front of the tank. This arrangement also creates an otherwise unused space in the rear of the tank that allows increased storage capacity, as well as a rear entrance to the main crew cabinet allowing easy access even under enemy fire. This allows the tank to be used as a platform for medical disembarkation, a forward command and control station, and an armored personnel carrier. The rear entrance's clamshell-style doors provide overhead protection when off- and on-loading cargo and personnel."
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