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Post by Rotaretilbo on Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:21 pm

*holds up sarcasm sign for Recon*

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Post by Kasrkin Seath on Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:24 pm

Hmm...
Tot ell you the truth, they could take the million unemployed people here and Michigan and have us build it... Hell, as long as we got hot meals and shelter I'd go work... theres no fucking jobs up here, in my town we have 600 people competing over a net total of 40 job openings... most of them already filled by adults who lost THEIR jobs

I ahve noticed a trend around where I live lately... no more city plows EVER come through so what do we do? We get 10 or so teenagers together at different intervals along populated roads and shovel, simple as that. Costs less than plows, and only takes like 3X the amount of time the plows would take. When we do that we only work for like $9 an hour and shoveling snow is rather backbreaking after 15 minutes or so.
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Post by Gold Spartan on Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:33 pm

Well, my area is living very well and have jobs. education is also doing well in my city. and how can you believe a russian on this subject? As far as I'm concerned, theyre still pissed at the break up of the Soviet union.(Not sure if ALL of them are I just know there are some.) I dont mean to sound racist but this is hard to believe. Why would Texas become it's own republic? When they happily joined the U.S? I say this guy is full of bullshit.( I heard this already.)
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:17 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
Rasq wrote:that makes me fascist

so..... I get flamed for attempting to call the bullshit on Noah's ark... but you openly state that you are "Fascist" and it's A-OK?
Hey! Godwin's frikkin' Law, alright? Not everything that fascists believe in is wrong, and I already stated that I disagree with Mussolini, and Nazism is fascism like Stalinism is communism. Like I said, I believe in Statist government, with more control over social aspects of the country than economic aspects of the country. This is as opposed to socialism, with strong control over the economy and moderate control over your social life.

So, in short, because I believe in a strong government, that does not mean I'm marching around in a brownshirt, nor does it mean that I hate Jews.
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Post by Toaster on Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:30 pm

Problem is, while socialism is achievable and maintainable, fascism just doesn't work. Controlling social issues only brings restraint and intrusion.

Oh, I'd love an all Atheist Society... But I'm not suggesting the government step in and makes it mandatory. It just wouldn't ever work. Humans are too stubbornly attached to their beliefs, myself included.

Rot wrote:the Russian guy wasn't saying the entire US was going to break up into 50 different nations

Oh I know what he meant. I simply do not think anything like that could happen at this point. There is no longer the "state power over federal government" mentality, and the good old country farm boy can no longer match the American army by owning a hunting rifle.

Try firing a shotgun at a Raptor. It doesn't really work.
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:45 pm

ReconToaster wrote:Problem is, while socialism is achievable and maintainable, fascism just doesn't work. Controlling social issues only brings restraint and intrusion.
Actually, socialism breeds sloth. Honestly, why try to succeed, when you get paid the same? Why try and be innovative, when it's not rewarded?
Fascism, on the other hand, propagates institutional paralysis. People are afraid to do anything too innovative, and prefer to kick it up to their superiors.

ReconToaster wrote:Oh I know what he meant. I simply do not think anything like that could happen at this point. There is no longer the "state power over federal government" mentality, and the good old country farm boy can no longer match the American army by owning a hunting rifle.

Try firing a shotgun at a Raptor. It doesn't really work.
But look at this from the Russian point of view. To them, a Russian farmer boy CAN stand up to a Russian soldier, because that farmer boy has an AK-47 too. So they're assuming it's the same thing over here.
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Post by BBJynne on Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:50 pm

This will never happen

in America.

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Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:30 am

Recon, did you really just propose that socialism could ever work? If socialism worked, China wouldn't be slowly westernizing its economy, for lack of a better word. If socialism worked, Eastern Europe and Russia wouldn't have fallen apart. If socialism worked, it wouldn't take seven months to get a specialist for a surgery in Canada. At with fascism, if the leader isn't a complete dipshit braindead fucktard [cough]Hitler[/cough] (not that I'm bitter or anything), you can get something done. Need I remind you that some of the greatest inventions came out of Nazi Germany, like the jet engine or the nuclear reactor (did you know that when we finally caught Nazi Germany's top nuclear scientist, he had constructed an almost operational nuclear reactor under the hovel he was living in). Tanks were a joke until Nazi Germany took a crack at them, parachutes were a death trap until Nazi Germany took a crack at them, missiles weren't even a real concept until Nazi Germany took a crack at them. Hell, the father of all modern physics and the atom bomb, Einstein, was a German who fled from Hitler (see the above rant about Hitler). I'm willing to bet that a fascist Germany would have beat Russia into space and the US to the moon, quite frankly. It isn't the nicest place to live, but at least shit gets done. In socialism, it sucks to live there, and nothing gets done.

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Post by MrX on Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:27 am

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...well...


No, I don't think the U.S. will split apart...if it does, I certainly don't think part of it will go to Russia...

The Russian scientist, Igor Panarin, is clearly out of his mind...like most Russians right now...

But, comrades, the Soviet Union will rise again, and when it does, sane minds will prevail!

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Post by Rotaretilbo on Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:19 pm

Thank you, bilco, for your amazing insight into this situation.

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Post by MrX on Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:20 pm

no probs pirat
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Post by Toaster on Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:01 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:the jet engine or the nuclear reactor (did you know that when we finally caught Nazi Germany's top nuclear scientist, he had constructed an almost operational nuclear reactor under the hovel he was living in). Tanks were a joke until Nazi Germany took a crack at them, parachutes were a death trap until Nazi Germany took a crack at them, missiles weren't even a real concept until Nazi Germany took a crack at them. Hell, the father of all modern physics and the atom bomb, Einstein, was a German who fled from Hitler

Rot, the things you listed are the results of a militaristic nation, not a fascist one. Nazi Germany progressed in science and tech because it needed the upper hand in battle. In what way did the killing of Jews bring about such results?

You mention a socialist state as being a terrible one to live in. I disagree. I'm not citing communism here Rot. It would seem to me that government restrictions the economy would be a hell of a lot less awful than restrictions on your personal life.

When I say socialist, I mean close handling of economics, Public schooling, Free Healthcare, and a non-democratic system. I'm not preaching that we should go to extremes and start giving everyone the same paycheck every month like in Soviet Russia.

In a socialist super power, the government has much greater wealth and control. They have the funds to pay for the expenses of research. In fact, Socialist nations tend to be extremely progressive in the fields of science.

Socialism allows a government to progress extremely quickly without the need of a war run economy like that of Nazi Germany. Socialist countries can progress without killing millions of people.

Rot wrote:If socialism worked, Eastern Europe and Russia wouldn't have fallen apart.

By your logic, Fascism will never work BECAUSE Nazi rule of Germany was lost. Of course, fascism never will work, but that is for much more intelligent reasons than "It failed in the past"


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Post by BBJynne on Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:04 pm

ReconToaster wrote:Rot, the things you listed are the results of a militaristic nation, not a fascist one.
Nazi Germany progressed in science and tech because it needed the upper hand in battle. In what way did the killing of Jews bring about such results?

You mention a socialist state as being a terrible one to live in. I disagree. I'm not citing communism here Rot.

who says that nazis are the only kinda of fascists?

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Post by Toaster on Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:07 pm

BB wrote:who says that nazis are the only kinda of fascists?

I certainly am not. Thing is, while I'm mainly citing hypothetical, less extreme forms of socialism, Rot seems to be supporting EXTREME fascism like that of Nazi Germany.
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Post by BBJynne on Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:35 pm

ReconToaster wrote:

I certainly am not. Thing is, while I'm mainly citing hypothetical, less extreme forms of socialism, Rot seems to be supporting EXTREME fascism like that of Nazi Germany.
maybe

but extreme fascism doesn't necessarily mean persecuting people

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Post by Toaster on Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:59 pm

BB wrote:but extreme fascism doesn't necessarily mean persecuting people

How else do you expect a government to enforce strict social laws?
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Post by BBJynne on Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:01 pm

punishing people based on their actions, not their ethnicity

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Post by MrX on Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:03 pm

i am obsessed with the soviet union

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Post by Toaster on Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:27 pm

Bilco wrote:i am obsessed with the soviet union

I find the Soviet Union to be a fascinating topic as well. I do wish they'd actually teach us about them...
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Post by team dfc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:04 pm

ok off topic but I have to say it(probablly wrong place to complain but I don't care)

change your sig please recon

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Post by PiEdude on Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:58 pm

sargentbilco wrote:i am obsessed with the soviet union

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In Soviet Russia, hat parties YOU!
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Post by PiEdude on Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:59 pm

ReconToaster wrote:In what way did the killing of Jews bring about such results?

They did spearhead research for a cure for typhus and malaria...
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Post by Toaster on Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:06 pm

PiEdude wrote:
ReconToaster wrote:In what way did the killing of Jews bring about such results?

They did spearhead research for a cure for typhus and malaria...

Again, how does that directly tie in with their Fascism?
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Post by PiEdude on Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:14 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
PiEdude wrote:
ReconToaster wrote:In what way did the killing of Jews bring about such results?

They did spearhead research for a cure for typhus and malaria...

Again, how does that directly tie in with their Fascism?

First of all: sar⋅casm   /ˈsɑrkæzəm/ [sahr-kaz-uhm]

–noun
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.


and Secondly, Dr. Josef Mengele's medical experiments included injecting some patients with Typhus or Malaria, and seeing if a cure could be synthesized.
They obviously didn't cure Malaria, but they did form the base for all of the research on these and several other diseases.
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