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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:31 am

Well, guess who has become the third sitting US president to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BarackObama/idUSTRE5981JK20091009*

Did he deserve it? He doesn't think so, and neither do I. The selection was made two weeks after his inauguration, before he accomplished anything. Personally, I don't think he deserves to be in the same company as Nelson Mandela or Norman Borlaug, but what do you guys think?

*Used Reuters, as it seems to be the least biased news source...
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Post by Dud Doodoo on Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:32 pm

No, while he has certainly made a strong effort on behalf of America, he has been turned down not only all over the world but in our own country. He has failed to bring about significant change thus far and imo is not worthy of such a prize.

Politically this could either help or hurt our relations with other countries. I also can't see Obama being able to increase the troop garrison in Afghanistan after winning the Nobel Peace Prize...

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Post by Death no More on Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:54 pm

He has done nothing yet, I was mad when I heard about this. I mean if he had done something already I would be happy and root for him to win but this is unacceptable. He should be taken off the list.
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Post by KristallNacht on Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:53 pm

well, you say it for hope, and he fathered LOTS of hope in his campaign.


and dud, what 'significant' changes were you looking for? no president can make 'significant' changes in such a short time.
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Post by CivBase on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:06 pm

Sad... it's amazing what this world has come to...

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Post by A_Bearded_Swede on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:26 pm

Heh,

I was talking about this in my History class.

My teacher brought up the point that he might be getting this just on expectations alone.

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Post by Toaster on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:28 pm

CivBase wrote:Sad... it's amazing what this world has come to...

Oh stop being so dramatic. Hell, Yasser Arafat was awarded a Nobel Peace prize over 15 years ago, and Al Gore received one for creating a slide show. The Nobel Peace prize lost its value a while ago.

Anyway, he received the award for the way he has been making an effort to improve relations with foreign countries, and be more open to the American public when it comes to politics. Honestly, he's not a bad guy, and his ideas aren't insane. It's difficult to get things done when every town hall meeting you try to host gets flooded with people screaming at you and calling you a Nazi.

Seriously, get a grip on reality. He is not an evil socialist dictator. He's trying to improve this country, and if you disagree with the way he's doing it, organize your thoughts in a constructive and rational manner. I'm growing so tired of the God damn scare tactics. The media has gone out of control.

((I'm not talking to you Civ.... just ranting.))
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Post by CivBase on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:38 pm

ReconToaster wrote:Hell, Yasser Arafat was awarded a Nobel Peace prize over 15 years ago, and Al Gore received one for creating a slide show. The Nobel Peace prize lost its value a while ago.
Thank you for proving my case. I can't care about who it went to, I care about who it didn't go to. I think that African dude who built the windmill deserves it more than Obama, and I'm sure there are far better candidates than him.

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Post by Toaster on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:44 pm

I think Carl Sagan deserved 10 Nobel Peace prizes...


http://www.hulu.com/watch/63325/cosmos-who-speaks-for-earth
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Post by CivBase on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:47 pm

Probably.

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:52 pm

Carl Sagan deserves no more Peace Prizes than Norman Borlaug. Borlaug was awarded only one, and by comparison of achievements, nobody else deserves to be NOMINATED if Borlaug won only one.

KristallNacht wrote:well, you say it for hope, and he fathered LOTS of hope in his campaign.


and dud, what 'significant' changes were you looking for? no president can make 'significant' changes in such a short time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal#The_First_Hundred_Days

Anyhoo, I agree with Civ. I don't think that Barrack Obama did enough to warrant the Peace Prize.
Rep-Dem politics has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Toaster on Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:11 pm

Rasq wrote:Anyhoo, I agree with Civ. I don't think that Barrack Obama did enough to warrant the Peace Prize.
Rep-Dem politics has nothing to do with it.

A agree... and while Norman Borlaug protected us from world hunger on a massive scale....

Carl Sagan not only expanded out views of the Cosmos, but also fought to educate us about the true responsibilities of mankind. He showed to us the lunacy in nuclear weapons. He showed us that the same technology that can take us to the stars can also be used to utterly destroy us, and that is it our choice as to how we use them.

He deserved a Nobel Peace Prize.
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Post by KristallNacht on Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:43 pm


that was also an entirely different political climate.

even if he was president now, not much would have been done.

ntm weren't a lot of the things he did later considered unconstitutional?
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Post by BBJynne on Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:59 pm

This would surprise me, but I remember that Al Gore won.

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Post by Ziggy on Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:21 pm

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Post by Dud Doodoo on Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:30 pm

KristallNacht wrote:well, you say it for hope, and he fathered LOTS of hope in his campaign.


and dud, what 'significant' changes were you looking for? no president can make 'significant' changes in such a short time.
I never argued that he could. I was arguing that he had won the prize without achieving anything significant or notable, and in my opinion should not have been eligible for the prize in the first place.

Do I dislike him? No. Do I think that McCain would have been better? Yes. Do I want the president of our own country to fail like most other republicans I've talked to? Hell no.

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Post by PiEdude on Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:47 am

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Well, guess who has become the third sitting US president to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BarackObama/idUSTRE5981JK20091009*

Did he deserve it? He doesn't think so, and neither do I. The selection was made two weeks after his inauguration, before he accomplished anything. Personally, I don't think he deserves to be in the same company as Nelson Mandela or Norman Borlaug, but what do you guys think?

*Used Reuters, as it seems to be the least biased news source...

Honestly, he probably got it because of a more open foreign policy than the Bush administration, not to mention the whole pirate thing (well, he killed them, so maybe not, idk).
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Post by Gold Spartan on Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:39 am

Pie, Obama didnt kill them. He just got the credit. It was the Navy SEAL captain who gave the order to shoot the pirates when Obama failed to give it.
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Post by PiEdude on Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:49 am

Gold wrote:Pie, Obama didnt kill them. He just got the credit. It was the Navy SEAL captain who gave the order to shoot the pirates when Obama failed to give it.

Wikipedia wrote:"Acting under prior authorization from U.S. President Barack Obama, the captain of USS Bainbridge, Commander Frank Castellano, ordered the action upon determining that Capt. Phillips' life was in immediate danger"

Obama authorized the SEALS to do "Whatever it takes (or something like that)" to bring the U.S. captain home alive.
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Post by Gold Spartan on Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:03 pm

I like how your using Wikipedia as your source. Razz
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:20 pm

PiEman wrote:
Gold wrote:Pie, Obama didnt kill them. He just got the credit. It was the Navy SEAL captain who gave the order to shoot the pirates when Obama failed to give it.

Wikipedia wrote:"Acting under prior authorization from U.S. President Barack Obama, the captain of USS Bainbridge, Commander Frank Castellano, ordered the action upon determining that Capt. Phillips' life was in immediate danger"

Obama authorized the SEALS to do "Whatever it takes (or something like that)" to bring the U.S. captain home alive.
Completely irrelevant.
That event happened after they decided to give it to him.
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Post by PiEdude on Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:58 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
PiEman wrote:
Gold wrote:Pie, Obama didnt kill them. He just got the credit. It was the Navy SEAL captain who gave the order to shoot the pirates when Obama failed to give it.

Wikipedia wrote:"Acting under prior authorization from U.S. President Barack Obama, the captain of USS Bainbridge, Commander Frank Castellano, ordered the action upon determining that Capt. Phillips' life was in immediate danger"

Obama authorized the SEALS to do "Whatever it takes (or something like that)" to bring the U.S. captain home alive.
Completely irrelevant.
That event happened after they decided to give it to him.
Also completely irrelevant.
I was proving a different point to a different person.
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:04 pm

PiEman wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
PiEman wrote:
Gold wrote:Pie, Obama didnt kill them. He just got the credit. It was the Navy SEAL captain who gave the order to shoot the pirates when Obama failed to give it.

Wikipedia wrote:"Acting under prior authorization from U.S. President Barack Obama, the captain of USS Bainbridge, Commander Frank Castellano, ordered the action upon determining that Capt. Phillips' life was in immediate danger"

Obama authorized the SEALS to do "Whatever it takes (or something like that)" to bring the U.S. captain home alive.
Completely irrelevant.
That event happened after they decided to give it to him.
Also completely irrelevant.
I was proving a different point to a different person.
Wrong.
PiEman wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Well, guess who has become the third sitting US president to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BarackObama/idUSTRE5981JK20091009*

Did he deserve it? He doesn't think so, and neither do I. The selection was made two weeks after his inauguration, before he accomplished anything. Personally, I don't think he deserves to be in the same company as Nelson Mandela or Norman Borlaug, but what do you guys think?

*Used Reuters, as it seems to be the least biased news source...

Honestly, he probably got it because of a more open foreign policy than the Bush administration, not to mention the whole pirate thing (well, he killed them, so maybe not, idk).
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Post by PiEdude on Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:15 am

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
PiEman wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
PiEman wrote:
Gold wrote:Pie, Obama didnt kill them. He just got the credit. It was the Navy SEAL captain who gave the order to shoot the pirates when Obama failed to give it.

Wikipedia wrote:"Acting under prior authorization from U.S. President Barack Obama, the captain of USS Bainbridge, Commander Frank Castellano, ordered the action upon determining that Capt. Phillips' life was in immediate danger"

Obama authorized the SEALS to do "Whatever it takes (or something like that)" to bring the U.S. captain home alive.
Completely irrelevant.
That event happened after they decided to give it to him.
Also completely irrelevant.
I was proving a different point to a different person.
Wrong.
PiEman wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:Well, guess who has become the third sitting US president to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BarackObama/idUSTRE5981JK20091009*

Did he deserve it? He doesn't think so, and neither do I. The selection was made two weeks after his inauguration, before he accomplished anything. Personally, I don't think he deserves to be in the same company as Nelson Mandela or Norman Borlaug, but what do you guys think?

*Used Reuters, as it seems to be the least biased news source...

Honestly, he probably got it because of a more open foreign policy than the Bush administration, not to mention the whole pirate thing (well, he killed them, so maybe not, idk).
I said "maybe not" because I knew I was probably wrong on that one.
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