Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment
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Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment
Avenged wrote:ReconToaster wrote:
You might say that, had we invaded mainland Japan, something like ONE MILLION Allied troops would have died.
So what? Soldiers are supposed to give their lives in the protection of the innocent. To kill thousands of women and school children is simply unnacceptable from an ideological standpoint.
Thats terrible
Don't make it into something it's not. I'm just saying the lives of innocent Women and Children should be protected at the cost of the lives of soldiers.
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ReconToaster wrote: America has always prided itself to be ideologically superior to other countries. The murder (and it was murder, whether or not it was helpful to a greater cause, the people who were killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were innocent civilians of an oppressive government) of 140,000 civilians simply does not fit in with our supposed
ideologies.
We are supposed to be a country that values innocent life above all, and one that is willing to risk personal sacrifice for the lives of those innocent people.
The definition of "civilian target" had blurred somewhat during the war.
Rasq wrote:
Null claim.
Civilians were a legitimate military target in WWII.
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ReconToaster wrote:Avenged wrote:ReconToaster wrote:
You might say that, had we invaded mainland Japan, something like ONE MILLION Allied troops would have died.
So what? Soldiers are supposed to give their lives in the protection of the innocent. To kill thousands of women and school children is simply unnacceptable from an ideological standpoint.
Thats terrible
Don't make it into something it's not. I'm just saying the lives of innocent Women and Children should be protected at the cost of the lives of soldiers.
Ok thanks for explaining the way you wrote it it sounded like you did not care about the soldiers lives at all.
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ReconToaster wrote:
Don't make it into something it's not. I'm just saying the lives of innocent Women and Children should be protected at the cost of the lives of soldiers.
Drafted soldiers
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KrAzY wrote:200 thousand people died so that over 20 million people could live
Precisely.
Which I have no problem with it.
The War would would of dragged on into 1946, and the battle would be long and bloody.
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vigil wrote:Drafted soldiers
Yeah, but there weren't any in WWII.
Arty wrote:The definition of "civilian target" had blurred somewhat during the war.Rasq wrote:
Null claim.
Civilians were a legitimate military target in WWII.
Saying that civilians were a target is just a statement of obvious fact. The question is whether or not they SHOULD have been a target. Rasq cited the fact that plenty of other nations were doing it, and he's right, but that doesn't make it okay for the US to do the same.
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ReconToaster wrote:vigil wrote:Drafted soldiers
Yeah, but there weren't any in WWII.Arty wrote:The definition of "civilian target" had blurred somewhat during the war.Rasq wrote:
Null claim.
Civilians were a legitimate military target in WWII.
Saying that civilians were a target is just a statement of obvious fact. The question is whether or not they SHOULD have been a target. Rasq cited the fact that plenty of other nations were doing it, and he's right, but that doesn't make it okay for the US to do the same.
Almost every country drafted soldiers.
And that's just a question of opinion. The only thing that matters is that anything was fair game by the end of WWII.
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Toaster makes a great point. I agree with him.
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Millions of soldier AND civilian lives>100,000 civillians.
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czar wrote:Toaster makes a great point. I agree with him.
You just agreed with someone who said there wasn't drafting in the second World War
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BALRGHArty wrote:czar wrote:Toaster makes a great point. I agree with him.
You just agreed with someone who said there wasn't drafting in the second World War
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Well, I guess that because it was a mass of people bieng intentionally killed, it is technically mass murder, but it was also a necessary military and really, a humanitarian event, where the Japanese population was not completely and utterly wiped out where we to have invaded the prime Japanese isles.
You could also say it was avoidable, and that the alternative would be an all out assault on Japan, but that is one bad alternative. I would think that if we had invaded, they would literally send their children at us with pitchforks, only to get mowed down with machine guns, or blown to bits with explosives.
The real question is, was it really worth it? Was the millions of people lost then worth the potential billions of people now if WWIII were to happen all of the sudden?
You could also say it was avoidable, and that the alternative would be an all out assault on Japan, but that is one bad alternative. I would think that if we had invaded, they would literally send their children at us with pitchforks, only to get mowed down with machine guns, or blown to bits with explosives.
The real question is, was it really worth it? Was the millions of people lost then worth the potential billions of people now if WWIII were to happen all of the sudden?
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Both options were retarded. People seam to forget Japan is a volcanic rock sitting in a large lake with no natural resources. Without Oil or Iron they couldn't make ships to fight us. Without Fishing ships (witch we would have sunk) they would lose a major food source.
Eventually japan would have surrendered regardless.
Eventually japan would have surrendered regardless.
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After storming us with literally everything they had. However, we didn't have the resources to blockade Japan. The country itself had no materials, but they had areas in Asia that had plenty.dragoon9105 wrote:Both options were retarded. People seam to forget Japan is a volcanic rock sitting in a large lake with no natural resources. Without Oil or Iron they couldn't make ships to fight us. Without Fishing ships (witch we would have sunk) they would lose a major food source.
Eventually japan would have surrendered regardless.
Re: Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Re-enactment
Nukes > Massive Siege or Invasion plan
Millions>Hundreds of Thousands
Civillians=Non-Existant during WWII
I dont see how it was a bad decision to bomb Japan
Millions>Hundreds of Thousands
Civillians=Non-Existant during WWII
I dont see how it was a bad decision to bomb Japan
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CivBase wrote:After storming us with literally everything they had. However, we didn't have the resources to blockade Japan. The country itself had no materials, but they had areas in Asia that had plenty.dragoon9105 wrote:Both options were retarded. People seam to forget Japan is a volcanic rock sitting in a large lake with no natural resources. Without Oil or Iron they couldn't make ships to fight us. Without Fishing ships (witch we would have sunk) they would lose a major food source.
Eventually japan would have surrendered regardless.
We had plenty of recources to spare now that we weren't sending half our supplies to assist in fighting germany. It was just "Easier" to bomb japan then to choke hold it
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To either siege or invade Japan would ultimate cost more in both material and men than dropping the bombs.
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ultimately. GAWD ^^
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Ringleader wrote:
The real question is, was it really worth it? Was the millions of people lost then worth the potential billions of people now if WWIII were to happen all of the sudden?
Do you mean the creation of the atomic bomb?
Because that would have been unavoidable.
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Well... nuclear weapons were gonna be devoloped sooner or later, and it was a good thing we used them early in to get some fear going
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Dont forget that Germany came pretty damn close. Just imagine THEM dropping atomic bombs on US.
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Gold wrote:Dont forget that Germany came pretty damn close. Just imagine THEM dropping atomic bombs on US.
They wouldn't have been even close to being able to drop on American soil. Maybe Western Europe, but that's it.
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Have you ever heard of the Japanese submersible aircraft carrier attack that was planned on the west coast? IT never happened of course, but it IS possible.
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I think it's mass murder.
In my opinion, they just dropped the bomb to assert the fact that they had nuclear weapons. This was especially significant considering relations with the Soviets weren't going too wonderfully at the end of the war in Europe.
They could have just not used the atomic bomb and forced a surrender. Sure, they would have lost lives, but I doubt it would be anywhere near as much as what was lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
In my opinion, they just dropped the bomb to assert the fact that they had nuclear weapons. This was especially significant considering relations with the Soviets weren't going too wonderfully at the end of the war in Europe.
They could have just not used the atomic bomb and forced a surrender. Sure, they would have lost lives, but I doubt it would be anywhere near as much as what was lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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