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Post by Avenged on Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:13 pm


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Post by CivBase on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:24 pm

We've had this debate before, and the nukes won by a landslide.

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Post by Avenged on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:25 pm

I am really surprised that there are no people who found this to be a bad thing especially with all the non-american people on the site.

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:39 pm

Perhaps it's because anybody who is actually INFORMED about the event realizes that it was necessary, it saved lives, it ended the war, and it prevented World War Three.

As opposed to the simple-minded bleeding heart liberals, who can't get the number "140,000" out of their heads.

Hell, the Japanese raped and killed twice that number in six weeks. Go look up the Rape of Nanking.
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Post by Avenged on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:40 pm

I really don't get why the world hates us i mean its not our fault we are good at everything we do.

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:43 pm

Avenged wrote:I really don't get why the world hates us i mean its not our fault we are good at everything we do.
So, you're a German national?

I have no idea what that's supposed to add to this conversation.
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Post by Avenged on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:45 pm

when did i say i was german???????

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Post by Death no More on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:47 pm

Avenged wrote:I really don't get why the world hates us i mean its not our fault we are good at everything we do.
Wait your german... I dunno maybe its the 21 million people you killed(not just the Jews)'

Avenged wrote:when did i say i was german???????
lol you posted while i was writing this Razz


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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:47 pm

Avenged wrote:I really don't get why the world hates us i mean its not our fault we are good at everything we do.
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Post by Avenged on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:50 pm

I am American

but i do have German descent.

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:51 pm

So, really, what reasons are there to oppose the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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Post by Avenged on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:54 pm

I don't but if i did the only reason i could give would be civilian casualties.

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Post by Cheese on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:54 pm

You could have been a resident of Hiroshima or Nagasaki Razz

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Post by Avenged on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:56 pm

Cheese wrote:You could have been a resident of Hiroshima or Nagasaki Razz

THIS IS NO LAUGHING MATTER!!!! Evil or Very Mad

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Post by BBJynne on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:56 pm

they were gonna bomb tokyo but the weather was bad





tough break hiroshima...........

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Post by KrAzY on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:57 pm

200 thousand people died so that over 20 million people could live
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Post by Avenged on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:58 pm

BBJynne wrote:they were gonna bomb tokyo but the weather was bad





tough break hiroshima...........

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Post by CivBase on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:59 pm

KrAzY wrote:200 thousand people died so that over 20 million people could live
And they were on the opposing side, a big plus for the US.

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:02 pm

Null claim.
Civilians were a legitimate military target in WWII, according to the doctrine of total war.
The Germans were targeting civilians (Partisan reprisals, Buzzbomb campaign) the Russians were doing it (admittedly, by the time they started doing it, it wasn't really necessary) the Brits and the Americans were doing it (Ruhr Dams, Firestorm over Dresden, Incendiary Cluster-Bombing of Japanese cities) and the Japanese were doing it (Nanking, Manchukio, wherever they set foot with civilians.)
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Post by Toaster on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:11 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:So, really, what reasons are there to oppose the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Well that's easy.

America has always prided itself to be ideologically superior to other countries. The murder (and it was murder, whether or not it was helpful to a greater cause, the people who were killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were innocent civilians of an oppressive government) of 140,000 civilians simply does not fit in with our supposed
ideologies.

We are supposed to be a country that values innocent life above all, and one that is willing to risk personal sacrifice for the lives of those innocent people. You might say that, had we invaded mainland Japan, something like ONE MILLION Allied troops would have died.

So what? Soldiers are supposed to give their lives in the protection of the innocent. To kill thousands of women and school children is simply unnacceptable from an ideological standpoint. We took the easy way out... and it worked... but at the cost of INNOCENT LIFE. Who are we to determine that those lives were expendable in the cause of ending WWII?

That said... I'm playing Devil's advocate here. I think the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was an extremely unfortunate but logical decision, but to say that there is no reason to oppose it is just dumb.
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Post by Dud Doodoo on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:24 pm

While that might be partially true, the Japanese were not the type of people to give up without a fight. As our island hopping campaign clearly showed the Japanese would never retreat and fought with their lives for every inch of ground. Were we to invade the Japanese mainland, do you really think they would have left their villages wide open for the taking? Who knows how many civilians could have died in an invasion, it could have even surpassed the number that were killed in the bombs.

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:27 pm

Six million would have died, actually.
If you look at previous assaults on Japanese-held territory, you'll find that the citizens were almost always fighting American soldiers. So, 220 thousand (including Nagasaki) dead was probably substantially less than what would have happened in an invasion.

In addition, the Soviets were busy racing down the Korean Peninsula towards Japan. If Japan didn't surrender right away, more territory would have fallen to the Soviets. And even back then, Harry Truman knew that Japanese Citizens under American Dominion would have fared better than under the Soviets. Unlike Roosevelt, he was under no illusions as to the true nature of Stalinism.
Furthermore, if a demonstration of America's Atomic Might wasn't made, then the Russians would have been tempted to invade the rest of Europe. They'd just marched across all of Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe, Britain was a sick man, and the Americans would have taken the full brunt of Stalin's insane wrath.

Finally, America was a Democracy. Whether it would have had the will to sustain the war for another four years (With money it didn't have) wasn't even a question.

Sadly, it was a question of breaking with ideology and seeing it's ultimate vision fulfilled, or staying with the ideology and seeing it die.

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Post by Gauz on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:44 pm

I think of our future when I think of the bombings, I hate them.

While it was a "tactical" move by the US, I still have a major distaste for directly killing <insertcasualtieshere> civilians.

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I do not approve of terrorists acts, especially for revenge. Nuclear bombs will be the end of life, or perhaps I should say, humans will be the end of life. We create our own strife, we will destroy ourselves, this is a perfect example of human intelligence.

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Post by Avenged on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:51 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:So, really, what reasons are there to oppose the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Well that's easy.

America has always prided itself to be ideologically superior to other countries. The murder (and it was murder, whether or not it was helpful to a greater cause, the people who were killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were innocent civilians of an oppressive government) of 140,000 civilians simply does not fit in with our supposed
ideologies.

We are supposed to be a country that values innocent life above all, and one that is willing to risk personal sacrifice for the lives of those innocent people. You might say that, had we invaded mainland Japan, something like ONE MILLION Allied troops would have died.

So what? Soldiers are supposed to give their lives in the protection of the innocent. To kill thousands of women and school children is simply unnacceptable from an ideological standpoint. We took the easy way out... and it worked... but at the cost of INNOCENT LIFE. Who are we to determine that those lives were expendable in the cause of ending WWII?

That said... I'm playing Devil's advocate here. I think the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was an extremely unfortunate but logical decision, but to say that there is no reason to oppose it is just dumb.

Thats terrible

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Post by XNate02 on Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:56 pm

KrAzY wrote:200 thousand people died so that over 20 million people could live

Agreed
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