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Post by KristallNacht on Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:55 pm

Death no more wrote:No Jesus rising is true, it is real. The line that you said was a metaphor.

how is the difference made?

is there a label in the original bible that says "hey, all of this stuff is metaphor, everything else is real"?

You're being choosy. I bet you like to ignore Leviticus saying that wearing clothes made from more than one type of fiber is an abomination, or that eating shellfish is an abomination.
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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:58 pm

i dont accept "jesus" does that mean im not here im burning in hell right now?

and the bible use to say that being black was a sin, it had multiple sins revolving around balck people and things such as that...

now do you still think that or just listen to the bible blindly?

ive seen puctures of bibles (and read from the picture) and quotes from 16 century (or so) bibles...

arent religious debates so fun? Razz
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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:03 pm

Death no more wrote:
KristallNacht wrote:
Death no more wrote:Its a metaphor, it means if you do the right things you will be rewarded.

wait, where do you draw the line between whats literal and whats metaphorical?

is all the bible metaphor or is it all literal?

did jesus really 'rise again' or was that just metaphor?
No Jesus rising is true, it is real. The line that you said was a metaphor.

hahaha, go prove it...and dont say "because its wrote in the bibble" no, the bibble is a book, and not everything written in books are true...
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Post by KristallNacht on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:05 pm

laxspartan007 wrote:
and the bible use to say that being black was a sin

"and their skin will be blackened by their sins"
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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:11 pm

KristallNacht wrote:
laxspartan007 wrote:
and the bible use to say that being black was a sin

"and their skin will be blackened by their sins"

thank you...
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Post by Death no More on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:20 pm

Gauz wrote:Then be mature and end it.
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Post by Gauz on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:22 pm

I revived the religious debate thread, go vent there now. If you keep on arguing in here, i'll just ask the moderator to deal with you as there is no reason to ask you nicely.
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Post by Rotaretilbo on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:23 pm

laxspartan007 wrote:i dont accept "jesus" does that mean im not here im burning in hell right now?

Where are you going with this? Last time I checked, no one was saying that if you didn't believe in Jesus, you were instantly in Hell. There's a difference between "going to" and "in" after all.

laxspartan007 wrote:and the bible use to say that being black was a sin, it had multiple sins revolving around balck people and things such as that...

Again, you are mistaken. The Book of Mormon used to proclaim that black people were the result of souls that sided with neither God nor Satan in some titanic fight, and used to forbid black people from joining their church.

laxspartan007 wrote:now do you still think that or just listen to the bible blindly?

Look who's talking, Mr. Repeat Everything I Hear on the Internet Blindly.

laxspartan007 wrote:ive seen puctures of bibles (and read from the picture) and quotes from 16 century (or so) bibles...

A source of some kind would be great. I've seen pictures of the flying spaghetti monster, after all.

laxspartan007 wrote:arent religious debates so fun? Razz

Only when its with Recon, because then its actually an intelligible debate and not some idiot like you regurtitating all the bullshit you read on some forum somewhere.


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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:26 pm

Death no more wrote:
Gauz wrote:Then be mature and end it.

lax=/=Mature
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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:27 pm

Gauz wrote:I revived the religious debate thread, go vent there now. If you keep on arguing in here, i'll just ask the moderator to deal with you as there is no reason to ask you nicely.

you should know i really dont care...have fun getting me banned...again...or will it be the third time?
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Post by Rotaretilbo on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:28 pm

You're getting behind, lax. I've three posts in this thread (now four), and all but the first one contain counter points to your ridiculous assertions. Best get to work responding. ;)

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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:30 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:
laxspartan007 wrote:i dont accept "jesus" does that mean im not here im burning in hell right now?

Where are you going with this? Last time I checked, no one was saying that if you didn't believe in Jesus, you were instantly in Hell. There's a difference between "going to" and "in" after all.

laxspartan007 wrote:and the bible use to say that being black was a sin, it had multiple sins revolving around balck people and things such as that...

Again, you are mistaken. The Book of Mormon used to proclaim that black people were the result of souls that sided with neither God nor Satan in some titanic fight, and used to forbid black people from joining their church.

laxspartan007 wrote:now do you still think that or just listen to the bible blindly?

Look who's talking, Mr. Repeat Everything I Hear on the Internet Blindly.

laxspartan007 wrote:ive seen puctures of bibles (and read from the picture) and quotes from 16 century (or so) bibles...

A source of some kind would be great. I've seen pictures of the flying spaghetti monster, after all.

laxspartan007 wrote:arent religious debates so fun? Razz

Only when its with Recon, because then its actually an intelligible debate and not some idiot like you regurtitating all the bullshit you read on some forum somewhere.

thats all a step up for me...would you rather me talk blindly and smash my hands blindly onto the keybord?
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Post by Gauz on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:30 pm

Rot is the mod of this section. Rot, can you please kill the people who are discussing religion in MY thread Mad

other than yourself of course...
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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:31 pm

Rotaretilbo wrote:You're getting behind, lax. I've three posts in this thread (now four), and all but the first one contain counter points to your ridiculous assertions. Best get to work responding. ;)

i dont work...
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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:31 pm

Gauz wrote:Rot is the mod of this section. Rot, can you please kill the people who are discussing religion in MY thread Mad

other than yourself of course...
YOUR MOM!!!
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Post by Rotaretilbo on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:31 pm

You'd probably make a more logical argument if you did, lax, so yes.

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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:38 pm

YOUR MOM GOES TO COLLEGE!!!

PHENIX WISHES HE WIENT TO COLLEGE, BUT HE DIDNT!!!
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Post by Rotaretilbo on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:47 pm

I thought we'd agreed on blindly striking the keyboard? That just looks like you being your normal, idiotic self.

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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:47 pm

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Post by Rotaretilbo on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:53 pm

That's much better, and twice as logical as most of what you've said, so far. Very Happy

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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:56 pm

being "less logical" is better for me...more people are annoyed...
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Post by Cheese on Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:50 pm

Well, we turned Lax into a troll. Fun fun.

Anyway, on topic? You know what I've said my piece. I'm just trying to restore order here.

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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:52 pm

Cheese wrote:Well, we turned Lax into a troll. Fun fun.

Anyway, on topic? You know what I've said my piece. I'm just trying to restore order here.

i always waz a troll...

hahaha, what order?
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:54 pm

Gauz wrote:Well this is for the discussion pertaining to homosexuals. Decided to make this after finding out it is a classified mental disorder in Wikipedia. I personally want to hear other peoples opinions on that, because I don't think it is a mental disorder.
Sigh...
Here we go... Again.

First of all, the WHO declassified Homosexuality as a mental disorder due to political pressure, back in 1992. Other organizations are up in arms as to it's classification.

Personally, I believe that it is a mental disorder, and not a choice. Those who say it is a choice and experience it as a choice are 'Bisexual'.

Now for my classifications:
Gay: A Homosexual who practices, whether in the closet or in the public.
Homosexual: A person who is homosexual, but does not act upon those urges. They do exist.

laxspartan007 wrote:
is homo-sexual weddings allowed in your state...if not than thats why there paradeing around...they want freedom and all rights
They have freedom. They have rights.
They can vote. Bashing in a gay's head because he is gay is a hate crime. They have protection from being fired because they are gay. You cannot discriminate in hiring them because they are gay.

What they 'want' is to be FORCED to be equal, with social institutions bending over backwards to accommodate them. This is roughly equivalent to KKK clubsters wanting an official Bar Mitza for one of their members. Not that persecution has been going on, but the social institutions are completely incompatible.

laxspartan007 wrote:...thats how blacks got there rights and thats how women got there's...
The blacks and the women sufferagists... neither paraded in "We're here and we're Queer" parades wearing only condoms and garter belts.
Again, Homosexuals DO have rights, the same ones as normal American citizens. What they're campaigning for is for social institutions to be forced to cater to them.

In any case, marching and demonstrating is how the Brownshirts brought Der Fuhrer to power, and how the current regime in Iran came to power. It isn't the METHODS they use, but the goal, that makes their cause noble.

laxspartan007 wrote:its people like you that prolong thoses parades that they will edventally win...
That's like blaming the parents for mistreating a child, when he's kicking and screaming in the Walmart aisles because they won't get him that Supersoaker hunk of plastic.

The spoiler below deals with the short religion debate. I typed it up before Gauz asked us not to bring it in, and I couldn't bring myself to deal with it.

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laxspartan007 wrote:religion is for the people that still have hope, and think there is an after life, awnser to me this...Why hasnt one of my prayers came true?
What were you praying for?

laxspartan007 wrote:and why is the bible changed every few years...with a few rules, sins and other forms of tampering...
The LDS may change their bible on a regular basis, but the bible that mainstream denominations have today is essentially the same one compiled thousands of years ago.

laxspartan007 wrote:back in old times when there waz only one bible, it was revolved around giving money to the king and other religious leaders...
You're thinking of "Indulgences," which Martin Luther fought against, and which has no basis in the Bible. It's another example of what happens when the Church controls the state (Or vica versa)

laxspartan007 wrote:now why would god want money when he is already in the "after life/heaven", or why would he want the king or other religious leaders to have money?
Well, it's a sort of repayment for God's blessing.
The money is SUPPOSED to go to charity and ministry, not towards the Pope's robes.

laxspartan007 wrote:the bible was made so society would be less savage and the crime rate would decrese...now over protective mothers can sleap at night knowing there child is trembling about "sins" and not thinking how to have real fun in life...
If you're really that cynical, then you really don't know what you're talking about.
But since you're talking about revisions and indulgences, I guess you don't.

KristallNacht wrote:i honestly don't know any gay guys that are this 'over-the-top' gay you speak of.
I do.
When I was at the Obama Inauguration, ALL of the political freaks came out of the woodwork.
The most 'normal' people protesting there were the anti-PLO people and a group of religious demonstrators claiming that homosexuality was a sin, come to the Lord...

And there was this gay guy in a dirty overcoat and some other odd clothes screeching "YOU HATE ME!", dancing around with a gay pride flag...
I felt like tasering him, locking him in a gurney with strobe lights flashing and low-frequency soundtracks pulsing, and then explaining things to him... like not making a fool out of yourself, and trying to understand what the other people are saying. It's really the only way you could have talked to him.

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Rotaretilbo wrote:I'm afraid that we need a none of the above. I don't not like gay people, I simply disagree with their living style. And while I do believe that gays burn in Hell, I take no pleasure in this thought, nor do I desire for them to do so.

Really? Burn in Hell? Do you also think that you'll find yourself in Hell for 'spilling your seed?'

Didn't Jesus die for your sins? You're enforcing foolish restrictions of the old testament. Go join the Westborough Baptist Church.
Sigh...
OK, Recon, I'm going to explain this because I want you to understand what the debate is about. It's like Carl Sagan citing the two family trees of Jesus as an inconsistency in the bible, when he could have asked any Protestant minister worth his salt and found out that one followed Mary's family line, and the other followed Joseph's family line.

Jesus died on the cross for our sins, yes.
Prior to that, there was a kind of gap between humanity and God. We could atone for our sins against God through sacrifice, but the sacrifice had to be of a perfect quality, and would only atone for the sins committed in the past.

Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, as he had never sinned, and therefore he covered ALL of Humanity's sins.

But there was another part to sacrifice. If you sacrificed a lamb, but did not feel remorse or seek forgiveness for your sins, then you have not truly gained forgiveness. You have tried to bribe God. It's the difference between a killer asking for forgiveness because he wants to get off on good behavior, and one who begs for forgiveness from the family because he is truly remorseful for what he has done.

So, if you do not ask for Forgiveness and deny God's name to your grave, then God will deny your name in Heaven. If you ask for forgiveness and continue to commit sins without attempting to curb your lifestyle and follow the bible, then you still haven't gained forgiveness.

Sorry about this, I would still like this to be a debate on Homosexuality.

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laxspartan007 wrote:
and the bible use to say that being black was a sin

"and their skin will be blackened by their sins"
Which we have ALREADY pointed out is LDS, not Protestant/Catholic

In any case, in reply to Gauz's post, I believe that homosexuality and bisexuality is a mental disease, similar to schizophrenia. Some sorts of visual hallucinations cause the victim to see colors in numbers 0123, which is rather harmless, but can still be treated.
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Post by laxspartan007 on Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:05 pm

accually, in some places they cant get marryed...
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