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Post by Vtrooper on Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:43 pm

I AGREE!!!
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Post by Angatar on Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:54 pm

I agree that some of the horror movies are really bad, but all of them?

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Post by Vigil on Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:56 pm

I never said all. I was referring to horror remakes in the last 5 years . Horror movies will be discussed next week.

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Post by Gauz on Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:58 pm

There are very few good horror movies. Paranormal Activity is not one of them Very Happy


Vigil, you could make a blog off this.
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Post by Vigil on Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:00 pm

I have a blog, and it's a barren wasteland Sad

Easier to put it here.

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Post by Gauz on Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:05 pm

I like your rants Very Happy
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Post by Death no More on Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:39 pm

Nice rant, cant wait for the Halloween one Very Happy
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Post by MrX on Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:50 pm

nice one Smile
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Post by Divine Virus on Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:32 pm

It was an ok rant. You basically said what everybody's been saying for a while now. But with your own taste.

Overall, decent rant.
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Post by Nocbl2 on Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:41 pm

I fully agree.
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Post by Vigil on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:43 pm

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Part V: The Horror……The Horror.

I touched on this briefly in my last rant, but I want to focus on it more in this one, and that is the current state of horror movies.

The main problem is the majority of Horror movies fail at what they are supposed to do. Horror movies, by they design, are made to provoke a response of fear from their audience. Now when was the last time you felt fear when watching a film?

I know exactly when the last time I felt fear. It was when I watched the Descent. It was truly disturbing and the feeling of being trapped in the dark with terrible creatures was really terrifying. The ending really did reach the crescendo and tricked you, then pulled you back in for one last shock.

Another example of the top of my head is so obvious, yet it isn’t really seen as a horror film: Jaws. After this film people never looked at sharks the same way again, hell the tagline for the second one was ‘Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water.’ This film was brilliant at creating tension, by the fact you barely saw the shark until the very end, and you saw the attacks from a distance, or from the POV of the Shark itself. The use of the classic music also helped, as when you heard that music, you knew it was coming, and you dreaded it. It is one of the best films ever made, and it really did create a fear of sharks that still lives today.

That is how you do a horror movie. Films like Alien, Pitch Black, and the original Halloween all created real fear in the viewer.

Look at horror now. An army of slashers, which are all about the body counts, and not the scares. I mean, the characters are always grade A douchebags who you want to die, so when the killer does them in, you feel that they got what they deserved. I you actually cared about the characters you might feel bad or scared for them. Movies like Saw and Hostel, which aim to be a gruesome as possible. That isn’t horror. All they do is cause the feeling of disgust.

Ever year we get the same old formulas that haven’t changed much over the years, with worse and worse versions as they drag a franchise out of a film, until they run it into the ground. Friday the 13th, Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Alien, Saw and so many others. Now I like the originals in these series, but when we get to the fourteenth film in the franchise it just gets stupid as they have no originality or horror to them.

But what about POV films like The Blair Witch project, Quarantine or Cloverfield? While I haven’t seen the Blair Witch or Quarantine, I do like the idea behind them, as you have the same perspective as the characters, and the fear of the unknown, as you have no idea what is happening, takes hold. However, you can do it wrong. Cloverfield had a nice idea behind it, but it ending up falling flat as it just became virtually impossible to see what was going on. In the end it became as ridiculous as this:



To conclude, Horror movies are still fun and enjoyable, I just feel that they could work more the Fear element of the film, as it really a rarity for me to be scared in the film.

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Post by Angatar on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:52 pm

I request more rants. Now.

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Post by XNate02 on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:55 pm

hmmmm nice rant and I agree with all of it Very Happy
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Post by Vigil on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:57 pm

Writing the next one now. If you're lucky I might get it out tonight.

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Post by BBJynne on Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:21 pm

Vigil wrote: the characters are always grade A douchebags who you want to die, so when the killer does them in, you feel that they got what they deserved. I you actually cared about the characters you might feel bad or scared for them.

YES THEY DESERVED TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!

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Post by Chuckles on Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:33 pm

I want a horror movie where this are actually good characters who do everything right (not be down-right retarded), but still are getting killed off...

Now that would finally make a good horror movie.

The Alien series should've stopped after Aliens...I guess resurrection was okay, but Alien 3 was horrible.
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Post by Vigil on Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:54 pm

Chuckles wrote:I want a horror movie where this are actually good characters who do everything right (not be down-right retarded), but still are getting killed off...

Now that would finally make a good horror movie.

The Alien series should've stopped after Aliens...I guess resurrection was okay, but Alien 3 was horrible.

Alien 3 was dogged by hundreds of issues even before it was released. If they had been somewhat competant about it, they could have made a decent film.

Resurrection was crap. When I saw that Alien Hybrid at the end, I didn't whether to laugh or cry.

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Post by laxspartan007 on Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:30 pm

Rants + Vigil = Awsome incarnate...enough said
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:40 pm

Vigil wrote:
Chuckles wrote:I want a horror movie where this are actually good characters who do everything right (not be down-right retarded), but still are getting killed off...

Now that would finally make a good horror movie.

The Alien series should've stopped after Aliens...I guess resurrection was okay, but Alien 3 was horrible.

Alien 3 was dogged by hundreds of issues even before it was released. If they had been somewhat competant about it, they could have made a decent film.

Resurrection was crap. When I saw that Alien Hybrid at the end, I didn't whether to laugh or cry.
Agreed. Whereas the Dog-Alien morph made up for some of the campiness, the Humalien made me feel like killing something.
However, I must point this out: In post-production, they digitally edited out very prominent male/female genitalia on the Humalien. It could have been worse.
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Post by Vigil on Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:38 am

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
Vigil wrote:
Chuckles wrote:I want a horror movie where this are actually good characters who do everything right (not be down-right retarded), but still are getting killed off...

Now that would finally make a good horror movie.

The Alien series should've stopped after Aliens...I guess resurrection was okay, but Alien 3 was horrible.

Alien 3 was dogged by hundreds of issues even before it was released. If they had been somewhat competant about it, they could have made a decent film.

Resurrection was crap. When I saw that Alien Hybrid at the end, I didn't whether to laugh or cry.
Agreed. Whereas the Dog-Alien morph made up for some of the campiness, the Humalien made me feel like killing something.
However, I must point this out: In post-production, they digitally edited out very prominent male/female genitalia on the Humalien. It could have been worse.

It was momumentally stupid and it seem to have more mood swings than Anakin Skywalker did.

Hopefully the next Alien film being helmed by the original director behind the franchise will be a return to form for the series. Here's hoping.

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:56 am

And next on the discussion list:
Alien Versus Predator

Stupid from the get-go? Could work if someone decent was handed the project? Did anyone actually like the first one?
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Post by KrAzY on Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:47 am

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
Vigil wrote:
Chuckles wrote:I want a horror movie where this are actually good characters who do everything right (not be down-right retarded), but still are getting killed off...

Now that would finally make a good horror movie.

The Alien series should've stopped after Aliens...I guess resurrection was okay, but Alien 3 was horrible.

Alien 3 was dogged by hundreds of issues even before it was released. If they had been somewhat competant about it, they could have made a decent film.

Resurrection was crap. When I saw that Alien Hybrid at the end, I didn't whether to laugh or cry.
Agreed. Whereas the Dog-Alien morph made up for some of the campiness, the Humalien made me feel like killing something.
However, I must point this out: In post-production, they digitally edited out very prominent male/female genitalia on the Humalien. It could have been worse.


technically all xenomprphs that emerge from humans are "Humaliens"... as their genetic makeup is derived from their host

Dog- Alien could have been handled better...

the Human-alien hybrid (not a humalien... a hybrid because the parts were not functionally mixed)... was an atrocity to sci-fi... at one point the movie even discuses its own views on itself "Killllllll meeeeeeeee"
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Post by Vigil on Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:18 am

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:And next on the discussion list:
Alien Versus Predator

Stupid from the get-go? Could work if someone decent was handed the project? Did anyone actually like the first one?

Might of worked, it had hundreds of comics and several games tied to it. The problem was it was in development so long, when Paul S. Anderson came along and said he get finish it and cheaply, the studio lept at the chance.

The only probelm is. Anderson sucks as a writer and as a Director. Resident Evil and it's even worse sequels as well as Mortal Kombat.

If you wanted a monster fight, you go away empty handed, as you watched stupid personailty-less Characters walk around a dark sound stage discovering stuff WE ALREADY KNOW.

AVP2 was worse because they completely butchered the Predalien(I LIKEZ TO FRENCH PREGNANT WOMEN!!!), and once again, stupid characters you didn't give a shit about.

And Oh Yes, I really want to watch the Preadtor's Janitor go around and clean up the mess they left at the end of the last movie. Truely fucking inspired.

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Post by XNate02 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:37 am

I also thought it was pretty retarted in AVP2 that around 20-10 towns people were holding out against armies of aliens with small fire arms (and maybe a few shotguns) in the middle of the town, even when everyone knows the place is getting bombed to shit
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Post by JB on Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:42 am

It only took place in the one town really, and no one knew it was going to get bombed except the main characters, but I do agree that it was very dumb that the town was able to hold itself while the military could not (like in all other movies)
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