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Should the F-22 Money be Shifted

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Post by Maginot Line on Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:08 pm

I say hell no. It's getting rid of several thousand jobs, and will also put us a step behind China and Russia in terms of air superiority. If they perfect that design, that is.
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Post by Dud Doodoo on Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:53 pm

I'm pretty sure you already know what the answer is going to be...

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Post by KristallNacht on Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:05 pm

should it be shifted?

wtf are you even talking about?


and its the VF-22 Raptor, not the F-22. It's a Variable Fighter, which is the new term for Assault/Fighter or AF. It can run air support as well as air superiority.
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:14 pm

I'd have to say no.

The PENTAGON doesn't want it, from what I've heard, and there might be a reason for that.
I'd say that funding should be shifted to drone fighters. That's where everything is going to be ten years from now, and we can't be investing in stuff that will be severely outdated by that time.
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Post by Vtrooper on Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:21 pm

NT its the F-22 first it was the F/A-22 but they changed it to F-22 and its really only a replacement for the F-15 which there are only 400+ of but the real new arcraft is going to be the F-35 and that needs more money then the F-22
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Post by BBJynne on Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:58 pm

whatever happened to that joint strike fighter thing that was supposed to be so awesome and I kept hearing about it awhile ago?

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Post by KristallNacht on Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:02 pm

JSFs are mostly just a term. It applies to VF and AF aircraft.

but the F-35 is probably the closest thing to a definite JSF.

anyway.


OP care to link to a relevant story?

why would you think its a good idea to make a poll with a basic question and give absolutely no information to work with?
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Post by Vtrooper on Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:05 pm

KristallNacht wrote:JSFs are mostly just a term. It applies to VF and AF aircraft.

but the F-35 is probably the closest thing to a definite JSF.

anyway.


OP care to link to a relevant story?

why would you think its a good idea to make a poll with a basic question and give absolutely no information to work with?

point is here

whos been calling this for monthes... me
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Post by KristallNacht on Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:42 pm

if that money goes to a Predator III I'd be happy.
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Post by Gauz on Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:41 pm

We should invest all our money in
The F-22 Tie_fighters
These. Energy efficient fighter planes that fire lasers.
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Post by PiEdude on Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:56 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:I'd have to say no.

The PENTAGON doesn't want it, from what I've heard, and there might be a reason for that.
I'd say that funding should be shifted to drone fighters. That's where everything is going to be ten years from now, and we can't be investing in stuff that will be severely outdated by that time.

If we have drone fighters ten years from now, then the Reisistance will be fighting more advanced ones in 20.

I'm telling you people, Autonomous machines are not a good idea.
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Post by Gauz on Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:05 pm

They are a good idea, robots lives in place of humans. Now all we need is a army of droids robots...
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Post by KristallNacht on Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:43 pm

drones aren't autonomous yet.

they still have pilots.

They've given the computers control of the motion, but the actual pulling of the trigger is still reserved for the human at the controls. whether its hellfire missiles from a Predator II or the machinegun on small tracked robots.
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Post by dragoon9105 on Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:51 pm

And thats the way it should stay. Why waste time and money programming self thinking robots. there unneeded we have plenty of human minds to use instead.

Cyborg army anyone?
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Post by Gauz on Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:52 pm

yes please
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Post by tiny tim on Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:56 pm

I'll take two!

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Post by Gauz on Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:10 pm

Funding in these will give our marines giant space insects to ride around and to shoot stuff with. He can make it eat people, I think its worth it...

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:50 pm

dragoon9105 wrote:And thats the way it should stay. Why waste time and money programming self thinking robots. there unneeded we have plenty of human minds to use instead.

Cyborg army anyone?
Nobody wants self-thinking robots on the battlefield. The Machines in Terminator were not self conscious, with the possible exception of the T-1000. They were carrying out programs, like a Predator that can pull the trigger itself.

A conscious war machine, be it android or miniature tank, is about as useful as an assault rifle that can think for itself. War may eventually be fought like Skynet's army, but none of the Machines will be able to realize "I think, therefore I am," because they do not think.
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Post by czar on Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:20 pm

I remember when I first heard about his plane on the History Channel. Was so pumped. now i is sad. Sad
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Post by noir on Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:39 am

The F-22 is a waste of money and just another arms deal. Raytheon and Lockheed should have joined us building the Eurofighter; wh don't we all just work together, christ.
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Post by KristallNacht on Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:53 am

the eurofighter is shit compared to the Raptor.
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Post by PiEdude on Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:42 am

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
dragoon9105 wrote:And thats the way it should stay. Why waste time and money programming self thinking robots. there unneeded we have plenty of human minds to use instead.

Cyborg army anyone?
Nobody wants self-thinking robots on the battlefield. The Machines in Terminator were not self conscious, with the possible exception of the T-1000. They were carrying out programs, like a Predator that can pull the trigger itself.

A conscious war machine, be it android or miniature tank, is about as useful as an assault rifle that can think for itself. War may eventually be fought like Skynet's army, but none of the Machines will be able to realize "I think, therefore I am," because they do not think.

It's not the robots themselves I'm worried about, it's the Skynet-esque computer that will eventually be running them.
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Post by PiEdude on Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:43 am

KristallNacht wrote:the eurofighter is shit compared to the Raptor.

QFT.

The Eurofighter is only stealthy on the front.
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Post by KristallNacht on Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:35 pm

ntm all the other design values that that raptor has over the eurofighter.

like the fact the Raptor has all its weapon systems contained inside in hull, so no matter its weapon load out, its aerodynamics won't change.
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Post by Ringleader on Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:25 pm

isnt the F22 supposed to be a fighter that will be used by all the armed branches? Like the Navy? or was that the JSF?
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