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Post by Dud Doodoo on Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:30 pm

Siege battles don't count.

My point still stands that Ghangis Khan fought and won less battles than Napoleon. Napoleon only lost ONE battle, and that was with terrible health.

Also consider that; Ghangis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, and Hitler were all fighting technologically inferior opponents.

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Post by BBJynne on Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:57 pm

last I checked, Ghangis Khan was using nomads (with awesome tactics and strategy) against the most high-end armies of the day.

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Post by dragoon9105 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:25 pm

Their weaponry was superior. The mongol bow, and their cavalry tactics outmatched almost every army the mongols face. The only reason the mongol empire fell was because of the plague
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Post by Felix on Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:36 pm

dragoon9105 wrote:Their weaponry was superior. The mongol bow, and their cavalry tactics outmatched almost every army the mongols face. The only reason the mongol empire fell was because of the plague

Actually, the mongols used inferior weapons to the chinese, but they used supperior tactics.

The main reason the mongols fell, was because they became "civilized" and lost their barbarian heritage basically.
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Post by dragoon9105 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:41 pm

No the plague decimating them, your thinking of the huns who became "civilized". The mongols kept their empire until the black death appeared. Then their empire crumbled essentially.
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Post by Zaki90 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:44 pm

TNine wrote:Genghis Khan overcame much larger forces, and had much more land than Hitler. He also wasn't absoultely insane.

Thats why I said Genghis Khan.

But Hitler had leadership like no other man on the planet. And he almost owned all of Europe with the limited supplies and land as I stated.

Genghis Khan only took Asia. Which is huge, but not that many inhabitants except China.

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Post by Felix on Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:50 pm

Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:Genghis Khan overcame much larger forces, and had much more land than Hitler. He also wasn't absoultely insane.

Thats why I said Genghis Khan.

But Hitler had leadership like no other man on the planet. And he almost owned all of Europe with the limited supplies and land as I stated.

Genghis Khan only took Asia. Which is huge, but not that many inhabitants except China.

Hitler lead Germany into distruction. Honestly, the empire was "large" but not the largest. If you haven't noticed, Asia, hell China, is much bigger than Europe. Conquering that much land is an amazing feat.

Anyway, I feel Ceusar, alexander the great, and Khan were amoung the greatest conqueres.
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Post by Zaki90 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:00 pm

Felix wrote:
Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:Genghis Khan overcame much larger forces, and had much more land than Hitler. He also wasn't absoultely insane.

Thats why I said Genghis Khan.

But Hitler had leadership like no other man on the planet. And he almost owned all of Europe with the limited supplies and land as I stated.

Genghis Khan only took Asia. Which is huge, but not that many inhabitants except China.

Hitler lead Germany into distruction. Honestly, the empire was "large" but not the largest. If you haven't noticed, Asia, hell China, is much bigger than Europe. Conquering that much land is an amazing feat.

Anyway, I feel Ceusar, alexander the great, and Khan were amoung the greatest conqueres.

Hitler took on the Great Depression with limited supplies and land. His enemies already watching.

Europe in the 20th century is harder than Asia in the 13th century.

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Post by dragoon9105 on Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:20 pm

His enemies LET Hitler take what he wanted because they hoped with would satisfy him and not start another war. After Hitler invaded Poland he started going downhill. The only reason he got so far was because of allied incompetence, and his generals.
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Post by TNine on Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:19 am

Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:Genghis Khan overcame much larger forces, and had much more land than Hitler. He also wasn't absoultely insane.

Thats why I said Genghis Khan.

But Hitler had leadership like no other man on the planet. And he almost owned all of Europe with the limited supplies and land as I stated.

Genghis Khan only took Asia. Which is huge, but not that many inhabitants except China.
Genghis Khan started out with, well, nothing. He was outcast and forced into the wilderness, then left for dead. He started to gather men under him, and eventually several of the Mongol clans, uniting the Mongols and stroming China.

Khan started out with MUCH less than Hitler.
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Post by Cheese on Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:23 am

TNine wrote:
Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:Genghis Khan overcame much larger forces, and had much more land than Hitler. He also wasn't absoultely insane.

Thats why I said Genghis Khan.

But Hitler had leadership like no other man on the planet. And he almost owned all of Europe with the limited supplies and land as I stated.

Genghis Khan only took Asia. Which is huge, but not that many inhabitants except China.
Genghis Khan started out with, well, nothing. He was outcast and forced into the wilderness, then left for dead. He started to gather men under him, and eventually several of the Mongol clans, uniting the Mongols and stroming China.

Khan started out with MUCH less than Hitler.

Also a ridiculous percentage of the world is a direct descendant.

Bow chica wow rape :/

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Post by Zaki90 on Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:27 am

TNine wrote:
Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:Genghis Khan overcame much larger forces, and had much more land than Hitler. He also wasn't absoultely insane.

Thats why I said Genghis Khan.

But Hitler had leadership like no other man on the planet. And he almost owned all of Europe with the limited supplies and land as I stated.

Genghis Khan only took Asia. Which is huge, but not that many inhabitants except China.
Genghis Khan started out with, well, nothing. He was outcast and forced into the wilderness, then left for dead. He started to gather men under him, and eventually several of the Mongol clans, uniting the Mongols and stroming China.

Khan started out with MUCH less than Hitler.

Genghis Khan did more than Hitler. He conquered more. But he wasn't against almost every super power in the world.

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Post by PiEdude on Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:32 am

Cheese wrote:
TNine wrote:
Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:Genghis Khan overcame much larger forces, and had much more land than Hitler. He also wasn't absoultely insane.

Thats why I said Genghis Khan.

But Hitler had leadership like no other man on the planet. And he almost owned all of Europe with the limited supplies and land as I stated.

Genghis Khan only took Asia. Which is huge, but not that many inhabitants except China.
Genghis Khan started out with, well, nothing. He was outcast and forced into the wilderness, then left for dead. He started to gather men under him, and eventually several of the Mongol clans, uniting the Mongols and stroming China.

Khan started out with MUCH less than Hitler.

Also a ridiculous percentage of the world is a direct descendant.

Bow chica wow rape :/
lol
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Post by Yam Head on Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:52 pm

dragoon9105 wrote:His enemies LET Hitler take what he wanted because they hoped with would satisfy him and not start another war. After Hitler invaded Poland he started going downhill. The only reason he got so far was because of allied incompetence, and his generals.
And that is why policy of appeasment fails
Along with the maginot line but lets not get into that...
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Post by TNine on Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:29 pm

Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:
Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:Genghis Khan overcame much larger forces, and had much more land than Hitler. He also wasn't absoultely insane.

Thats why I said Genghis Khan.

But Hitler had leadership like no other man on the planet. And he almost owned all of Europe with the limited supplies and land as I stated.

Genghis Khan only took Asia. Which is huge, but not that many inhabitants except China.
Genghis Khan started out with, well, nothing. He was outcast and forced into the wilderness, then left for dead. He started to gather men under him, and eventually several of the Mongol clans, uniting the Mongols and stroming China.

Khan started out with MUCH less than Hitler.

Genghis Khan did more than Hitler. He conquered more. But he wasn't against almost every super power in the world.
Yes. Why yes he was. He was against the Chin, Russia (to a point), the Muslim empire. He got that point.
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Post by Vigil on Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:09 am

Cheese wrote:
Vigil wrote:But we beat him.....twice

Very Happy

And he beat us... sixty... eighty...?

Let's not go there Razz

We actually held him pretty well.

It was Europe who really lost to him.

His biggest failure was attacking Russia in Winter, a mistake another dictator made only a few 100 years later.

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Post by Felix on Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:17 am

Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:
Zaki90 wrote:
TNine wrote:Genghis Khan overcame much larger forces, and had much more land than Hitler. He also wasn't absoultely insane.

Thats why I said Genghis Khan.

But Hitler had leadership like no other man on the planet. And he almost owned all of Europe with the limited supplies and land as I stated.

Genghis Khan only took Asia. Which is huge, but not that many inhabitants except China.
Genghis Khan started out with, well, nothing. He was outcast and forced into the wilderness, then left for dead. He started to gather men under him, and eventually several of the Mongol clans, uniting the Mongols and stroming China.

Khan started out with MUCH less than Hitler.

Genghis Khan did more than Hitler. He conquered more. But he wasn't against almost every super power in the world.

At this point in time, there were only like four super powers, and that was germany, France, and Britian(in Europe I should say). One France was gone, Britian was the only "superpower" left. Really, it wasn't that hard for anyone incompitent like to take over so much in so little time. Honestly, you can't really call Hitler a conquer as all he did was get lucky and enjoy the allies appeasment.
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Post by Kasrkin Seath on Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:47 am

woot for the United States?
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Post by JumpingJet on Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:17 pm

Death no more wrote:
JumpingJet wrote:
Elabajaba wrote:
Dud Doodoo wrote:Napoleon fought and won more battles than Alexander, Hannible, Caeser, Peter, and Fredric combined.

He wins.
I'm pretty sure that Genghis Khan had more territory, same with Alexander the Great, among others.

Ditto

Plus, has anyone not thought about Julius Caesar?
not really, I usually see him as more of political leader than a military leader, but its not secret hes a brilliant strategic mind.

Are you freaking kidding me? His campaign made up most of the roman empire in the west!

They even through years of a republic out of the window to make this one person dictator for life!

This dude was amazing!
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:35 pm

Elabajaba wrote:
Dud Doodoo wrote:Napoleon fought and won more battles than Alexander, Hannible, Caeser, Peter, and Fredric combined.

He wins.
I'm pretty sure that Genghis Khan had more territory, same with Alexander the Great, among others.
Of course, since there was a grand total of 100,000 people at the time, and 50,001 were on Genghis Khan's side...
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:40 pm

Angatar wrote:He beat Poland with a surprise attack.
Correction: He beat HALF of Poland first, and then the other half later.

Angatar wrote:He attacked Belgium to get to France.
And thus got around that silly little wall that would have crushed whatever he sent at it.

Angatar wrote:He broke a treaty with Russia.
Before, of course, Russia broke that treaty first. Smart move, IMO.

Angatar wrote:Germany lost because of Hitler.
Not solely because of Hitler. I'd like to lay blame on everyone in charge. They just weren't working together.

BBJynne wrote:he attacked Russia because it had such a high population of Jews and Slavs, both of which he HATED

that's my view
And he wanted land.
And Russia was the only force on earth that could have crushed Germany.
And he needed more manufacturing capability.
And he needed oil.
And he needed a victory.
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Post by JumpingJet on Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:59 am

Erm....I am confused, In the first 2 quotes you seem to be against hitler but for him in the last ones.....


Are you for or against him dude?
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Post by Kis_BF on Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:37 pm

gonna have to go with versengeterix for this
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Post by Nocbl2 on Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:16 pm

Napoleon.
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Post by TNine on Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:09 pm

Rasq'uire'laskar wrote:
Elabajaba wrote:
Dud Doodoo wrote:Napoleon fought and won more battles than Alexander, Hannible, Caeser, Peter, and Fredric combined.

He wins.
I'm pretty sure that Genghis Khan had more territory, same with Alexander the Great, among others.
Of course, since there was a grand total of 100,000 people at the time, and 50,001 were on Genghis Khan's side...
Genghis Khan had numbers on his side in ONE major scrimmage. He was lucky if he got 1:2 odds. He did have the much better soldiers and tactics, though.
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