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Post by Indecisive One. on Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:21 pm

thank you. And Ruski can go screw himself. Oh and wheres your picture?
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Post by Gold Spartan on Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:29 pm

Offensive Bias wrote:While we are here... I agree with him.
Sorry, Temuchin wins. His empire actually lasted after he died.
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Post by Indecisive One. on Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:37 am

Yeah. Good point.
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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:03 am

I looked up Temuchin and it said Genghis Khan. I never knew that was a title not a name. I guess you learn something every day.
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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:16 am

Death no more wrote:
JumpingJet wrote:
Elabajaba wrote:
Dud Doodoo wrote:Napoleon fought and won more battles than Alexander, Hannible, Caeser, Peter, and Fredric combined.

He wins.
I'm pretty sure that Genghis Khan had more territory, same with Alexander the Great, among others.

Ditto

Plus, has anyone not thought about Julius Caesar?
not really, I usually see him as more of political leader than a military leader, but its not secret hes a brilliant strategic mind.For me I would have to with...*thinks of a great military person that not obvious*... give me minute... *thinks harder* Sun tzu count? he made a frickin book about war -.-
Sun tzu did conquer a little empire so he could be in there.
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Post by Dud Doodoo on Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:28 pm

Napoleon wins, as he won more battles than almost all of the proposed candidates combined.

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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:36 pm

More wins yes, but better commander no. This question refers to the greatest conqueror, not who has the wins. Territory, leadership, battlefield strategy, and impact are all or at least some things to consider when deciding the greatest commander.
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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:38 pm

I mean conqueror on the last sentence.
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Post by Dud Doodoo on Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:47 pm

Napoleon created an entire ERA for Europe, and completely redefined the way wars were fought. He led the French (yes, the FRENCH) from being a weak post revolutionary nation to a full scale empire comparable to Rome. Keep in mind, this was not a crusade against far less advanced and developed surrounding barbarians, this was against military equals, and in many cases superiors. Napoleon was the greatest general to have ever lived, not only in tactic, but how he led. Unlike other generals of the era, he led his troops from the front, often charging in at the head of the line. He was never wasteful with the lives of his soldiers and designed his strategies so that they would survive the fray. Because of this, the French held him as a god-emperor, incapable of error. The only battle he lost (yes, waterloo was the only battle he ever lost) can be attributed more to the over-eagerness of his officers than a flaw on his end. Napoleon was, simply, perhaps the only example of military perfection there ever was.

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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:00 pm

That is why Napoleon is in this category. Because he was a great and valiant leader / self-appointed emperor. But you brought up Waterloo. Sun Tzu's Art of War clearly explains how. "By method and discipline are to be understood
the marshaling of the army in its proper subdivisions,
the graduations of rank among the officers, the maintenance
of roads by which supplies may reach the army, and the
control of military expenditure."
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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:01 pm

Basically what that means is it was Napoleon's job to keep his officers in line. Its his fault as much as it is theirs.
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Post by MrX on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:03 pm

omfg you all must really hate us british

its not bast opinion but queen vic was the conquerer of all time

genghis khan was good but probably ranking second
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Post by Ruski on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:08 pm

Dud Doodoo wrote:Napoleon created an entire ERA for Europe, and completely redefined the way wars were fought. He led the French (yes, the FRENCH) from being a weak post revolutionary nation to a full scale empire comparable to Rome. Keep in mind, this was not a crusade against far less advanced and developed surrounding barbarians, this was against military equals, and in many cases superiors. Napoleon was the greatest general to have ever lived, not only in tactic, but how he led. Unlike other generals of the era, he led his troops from the front, often charging in at the head of the line. He was never wasteful with the lives of his soldiers and designed his strategies so that they would survive the fray. Because of this, the French held him as a god-emperor, incapable of error. The only battle he lost (yes, waterloo was the only battle he ever lost) can be attributed more to the over-eagerness of his officers than a flaw on his end. Napoleon was, simply, perhaps the only example of military perfection there ever was.

His campaign through Russia was successful for the most part as well...execpt he under-estimated the Russians and had not prepared for the Russian Winter.
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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:13 pm

Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles
is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists
in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. Kyle I was trying to follow up my point. Why are you always butting in? Just kidding. That was a good point.
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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:15 pm

sargentbilco wrote:omfg you all must really hate us british

its not bast opinion but queen vic was the conquerer of all time

genghis khan was good but probably ranking second

When I think of conqueroring I think of Sun Tzu and Napoleon, not Queen Victoria. Sorry.
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Post by Dud Doodoo on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:36 pm

Ruski wrote:
Dud Doodoo wrote:Napoleon created an entire ERA for Europe, and completely redefined the way wars were fought. He led the French (yes, the FRENCH) from being a weak post revolutionary nation to a full scale empire comparable to Rome. Keep in mind, this was not a crusade against far less advanced and developed surrounding barbarians, this was against military equals, and in many cases superiors. Napoleon was the greatest general to have ever lived, not only in tactic, but how he led. Unlike other generals of the era, he led his troops from the front, often charging in at the head of the line. He was never wasteful with the lives of his soldiers and designed his strategies so that they would survive the fray. Because of this, the French held him as a god-emperor, incapable of error. The only battle he lost (yes, waterloo was the only battle he ever lost) can be attributed more to the over-eagerness of his officers than a flaw on his end. Napoleon was, simply, perhaps the only example of military perfection there ever was.

His campaign through Russia was successful for the most part as well...execpt he under-estimated the Russians and had not prepared for the Russian Winter.
He didn't underestimate them, he won against them every time. Like you said, he just didn't prepare for the winter.

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Post by Ruski on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:51 pm

Dud Doodoo wrote:
Ruski wrote:
Dud Doodoo wrote:Napoleon created an entire ERA for Europe, and completely redefined the way wars were fought. He led the French (yes, the FRENCH) from being a weak post revolutionary nation to a full scale empire comparable to Rome. Keep in mind, this was not a crusade against far less advanced and developed surrounding barbarians, this was against military equals, and in many cases superiors. Napoleon was the greatest general to have ever lived, not only in tactic, but how he led. Unlike other generals of the era, he led his troops from the front, often charging in at the head of the line. He was never wasteful with the lives of his soldiers and designed his strategies so that they would survive the fray. Because of this, the French held him as a god-emperor, incapable of error. The only battle he lost (yes, waterloo was the only battle he ever lost) can be attributed more to the over-eagerness of his officers than a flaw on his end. Napoleon was, simply, perhaps the only example of military perfection there ever was.

His campaign through Russia was successful for the most part as well...execpt he under-estimated the Russians and had not prepared for the Russian Winter.
He didn't underestimate them, he won against them every time. Like you said, he just didn't prepare for the winter.

He did underestimate them. They used the Scorched Earth tactic while also trading space for time. While it appeared he was winning, the Russians were just preparing even more in other locations.

So when he "won the location" they burned what he could use. Remember, they burned half of Moscow down to keep him from providing his soldiers shelter from the winter.
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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:57 pm

The scorched Earth policy. So exactly what conqueror are you pullin for?
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Post by MrX on Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:05 pm

Pancakes are amazing! wrote:
sargentbilco wrote:omfg you all must really hate us british

its not bast opinion but queen vic was the conquerer of all time

genghis khan was good but probably ranking second

When I think of conqueroring I think of Sun Tzu and Napoleon, not Queen Victoria. Sorry.

yes because a woman cant conquer... chauvinist
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Post by Gauz on Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:08 pm

Joan of Arc!!!


^women conquerer
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Post by Indecisive One. on Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:23 pm

sargentbilco wrote:
Pancakes are amazing! wrote:
sargentbilco wrote:omfg you all must really hate us british

its not bast opinion but queen vic was the conquerer of all time

genghis khan was good but probably ranking second

When I think of conqueroring I think of Sun Tzu and Napoleon, not Queen Victoria. Sorry.

yes because a woman cant conquer... chauvinist

I meant no offense to you or your country's history. I just meant that these are the people we have learned in school. When we learn about joan of arc or queen victoria the I'll think of them as conquerors. I don't talk about what I don't know.
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Post by MrX on Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:42 pm

never said you insulted my county or even implied it... patronizing bastard
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Post by Angatar on Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:47 pm

Gauz wrote:Joan of Arc!!!


^women conquerer
Didn't really conquer, but she repelled the British.

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Post by MrX on Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:05 pm

yeah and she did it rather well
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Post by Spartan15 on Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:48 pm

Well i'd definitely rule out Adolph Hitler as one of the greatest conquerers of all time. Nothing more than a murderer and callous bastard. Not exactly sure who i'd chose as the " greatest conquerer".
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