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How do you feel about George W Bush's two terms as President?

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Post by Rotaretilbo on Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:34 am

This is the official place to discuss the Presidency of George W Bush. If I see any more derailing of this topic, I'll just start deleting posts. Have a nice day. Very Happy

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Post by Zaki90 on Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:44 pm

Bad image,
but he got Saddam.

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Post by KrAzY on Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:53 pm

he did fine... the errors he made were blown WAY out of proportion by the media...

he also managed to get things done despite being constantly attacked by the media, having 2 branches of govt controlled by the opposite party, and having the lowest approval rating ever...

IMO that is an incredible feat...



he was the first president to have to go up against the internet (Bill Clinton had the internet... but it wasn't near as huge as it is today)... the Internet is what let things spread so fast about him...
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Post by Zaki90 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:21 am

KrAzY wrote:he did fine... the errors he made were blown WAY out of proportion by the media...

he also managed to get things done despite being constantly attacked by the media, having 2 branches of govt controlled by the opposite party, and having the lowest approval rating ever...

IMO that is an incredible feat...



he was the first president to have to go up against the internet (Bill Clinton had the internet... but it wasn't near as huge as it is today)... the Internet is what let things spread so fast about him...

He needed to know how to keep the media not firing out bad stories about him. He needed to get a better image. That was his fault.

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Post by Rotaretilbo on Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:33 am

How? He has no control over the media.

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Post by Angatar on Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:35 am

Zaki90 wrote:
KrAzY wrote:he did fine... the errors he made were blown WAY out of proportion by the media...

he also managed to get things done despite being constantly attacked by the media, having 2 branches of govt controlled by the opposite party, and having the lowest approval rating ever...

IMO that is an incredible feat...



he was the first president to have to go up against the internet (Bill Clinton had the internet... but it wasn't near as huge as it is today)... the Internet is what let things spread so fast about him...

He needed to know how to keep the media not firing out bad stories about him. He needed to get a better image. That was his fault.
The US isn't a communist country nor a dictatorship, government does not control the media under normal circumstances.
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Post by Ukurse on Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:19 am

regardless of who has control over the media you can still manipulate it.
The Media is a wild beast and he didn't know how to feed it properly.

As KrAzY said the media blow everything out of proportion.
Play a game or soccor and they accuse you of being a lazy president, Have a drink of a beer and you are an alcoholic.

It isn't as eazy to live with them watching your every move. I agree with KrAzY and think he did a decent job but was portrait as a terrible president.
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Post by Nocbl2 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:46 am

Actually, because of his horrid deeds, he was the best Pres. He showed our country what not to vote for next time. He told us not to do as he did.
Which would be this: :BannanaBeer:
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Post by BBJynne on Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:32 am

He probably inspired millions of children to learn to talk better.

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Post by CivBase on Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:48 am

He wasn't great, but he's better than the government we have now (and I'm not just talking about Obama, I'm starting to hate Congress as well)

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Post by Nocbl2 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:50 am

America's been fucked from Bush's first term...
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Post by CivBase on Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:54 am

Noc, you're a media zombie.

Tell us, why was he a bad president?

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Post by Nocbl2 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:54 am

No, I am a media shit monster.
He sent a bunch of dudes to Iraq, were we don't belong, which made USA spend billions of $ on the quote 'war'.
There was no purpose whatsoever, only to let him make money, while sending the rest of America into a big giant shithole.
Then, we elected Obama because he wanted to get troops out of Iraq, which he hasn't done. Obama just re fucked us, so US is screwed in to a
tiny wooden board.
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Post by CivBase on Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:05 am

Nocbl2 wrote:He sent a bunch of dudes to Iraq, were we don't belong, which made USA spend billions of $ on the quote 'war'.
Too bad that war is the biggest economy jump-start available, which is probably what kept our economy up for so long. Not to mention all those dudes we don't belong volunteered. And as for the cost, we were already trillions in the hole, it isn't that much of an addition.

Nocbl2 wrote:There was no purpose whatsoever, only to let him make money, while sending the rest of America into a big giant shithole.
What money did Bush get out of this?

Nocbl2 wrote:Then, we elected Obama because he wanted to get troops out of Iraq, which he hasn't done. Obama just re fucked us, so US is screwed in to a
tiny wooden board.
Our service in Iraq isn't what's screwing us, it's the economy.

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Post by dragoon9105 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:22 am

Media or not theres no reason for us to be in at least one of those countries anymore, we fought we won now they want us to leave... or they blow themselfs up, thats the war in Iraq for you. Not everyone likes to be occupied by a foreign army very much

The economy was bound to take this hit, the only real thing that got us out of the depression was WWII not socialist ideals. The ecomoney held together afterwards becuase we had the russians and western nations to compete with.

However the Iraq war isnt screweing the ecomony, if anything it held it up for a bit. Bush did decent enough, not great but decent. Theres been worse presidents.
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Post by Nocbl2 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:32 am

Such as....
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Post by CivBase on Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:37 am

dragoon9105 wrote:Media or not theres no reason for us to be in at least one of those countries anymore, we fought we won now they want us to leave... or they blow themselfs up, thats the war in Iraq for you. Not everyone likes to be occupied by a foreign army very much
We're still in most countries that we've fought in since WW2. What makes Iraq any different?

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Post by dragoon9105 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:01 pm

Iraq is filled with religous fantics, political fantics and civilian support is in favor of the insurgents.

Also our enemy there prefers to blow themselfs up civilian and soldier alike. They constantly raid our troops but wont fight us in a major battle. They hide with civilians witch are glad to house them. Whenever we fight a war like these we lose, referance being vietnam. and the russians encounted the same problem in afganistan.
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Post by Zaki90 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:25 pm

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dragoon9105 wrote:Media or not theres no reason for us to be in at least one of those countries anymore, we fought we won now they want us to leave... or they blow themselfs up, thats the war in Iraq for you. Not everyone likes to be occupied by a foreign army very much
We're still in most countries that we've fought in since WW2. What makes Iraq any different?

It politically unstable. An foreign army is only going to make it worse.

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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:40 pm

Zaki90 wrote:
He needed to know how to keep the media not firing out bad stories about him. He needed to get a better image. That was his fault.
Sorry, but media control is something that we are constitutionally against.
In any case, he's been getting bad press ever since 2001, when the media favorite Al Gore lost the election.

BBJynne wrote:He probably inspired millions of children to learn to talk better.
You know that Thomas Jefferson was a TERRIBLE public speaker?
The only reason his inaugural speech was so successful was because the public liked him about as much as the Obama supporters do.

Instead of giving a state of the Union speech, he would send letters to Congress, which would take advantage of his substantial skills in prose.

dragoon9105 wrote:Iraq is filled with religous fantics, political fantics and civilian support is in favor of the insurgents.
Actually, a lot of the strife is Sunni versus Shiite.
CBS once did a poll of Iraqis on the street, and they said that yes, the US must leave, but not now. Not when it's so violent.

dragoon9105 wrote:Also our enemy there prefers to blow themselfs up civilian and soldier alike. They constantly raid our troops but wont fight us in a major battle. They hide with civilians witch are glad to house them. Whenever we fight a war like these we lose, referance being vietnam. and the russians encounted the same problem in afganistan.
It's a learning experience. One day, there will come a time when we will ABSOLUTELY have to win a war against insurgency, and we will have to put to use many of the tactics we learn today.

Zaki90 wrote:It politically unstable. An foreign army is only going to make it worse.
I don't see how it can get any worse than Darfur, which has no foreigners there and is even worse than Iraq.
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Post by Maginot Line on Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:34 pm

Nocbl2 wrote:
There was no purpose whatsoever, only to let him make money, while sending the rest of America into a big giant shithole.
Takingg out the dictator had nothing at all to do with us being over there...
Nocbl2 wrote:Then, we elected Obama because he wanted to get troops out of Iraq, which he hasn't done. Obama just re fucked us, so US is screwed in to a
tiny wooden board.
Hmmm... I actually kinda have to agree with you here...

dragoon9105 wrote:Media or not theres no reason for us to be in at least one of those countries anymore, we fought we won now they want us to leave... or they blow themselfs up, thats the war in Iraq for you. Not everyone likes to be occupied by a foreign army very much
A fair portion of the Iraqi's actually want us to be there... without U.S. choppers/drones to locate enemy insurgents who are shelling civillian/government buildings they take fairly heavy damage... The groups that blow themselves up are extreme radicals who are denounced by alot of Muslims...

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However the Iraq war isnt screweing the ecomony, if anything it held it up for a bit. Bush did decent enough, not great but decent. Theres been worse presidents.
Agreed.

dragoon9105 wrote:Iraq is filled with religous fantics, political fantics and civilian support is in favor of the insurgents.
Already addressed...

dragoon9105 wrote:
Also our enemy there prefers to blow themselfs up civilian and soldier alike. They constantly raid our troops but wont fight us in a major battle. They hide with civilians witch are glad to house them. Whenever we fight a war like these we lose, referance being vietnam.
There's actually a difference between the two wars though, The South Vietnamese Goernment was incredibly corrupt at the time and was doing basically nothing to help us. THe Iraqi government is actually trying to help us... plus, we withdrew so the American public would stop whining...

Zaki90 wrote:It politically unstable. An foreign army is only going to make it worse.
It was politically unstable without foreign armies and will be politically unstable if they leave.
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Post by CivBase on Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:44 pm

Zaki90 wrote:
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dragoon9105 wrote:Media or not theres no reason for us to be in at least one of those countries anymore, we fought we won now they want us to leave... or they blow themselfs up, thats the war in Iraq for you. Not everyone likes to be occupied by a foreign army very much
We're still in most countries that we've fought in since WW2. What makes Iraq any different?

It politically unstable. An foreign army is only going to make it worse.
lol

Pulling out releases our political influence on the country and gives them the possibility of being our enemy. Perhaps you guys don't understand this. We put ourselves before we put other countries. Well... we used to.

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Post by Zaki90 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:37 pm

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dragoon9105 wrote:Media or not theres no reason for us to be in at least one of those countries anymore, we fought we won now they want us to leave... or they blow themselfs up, thats the war in Iraq for you. Not everyone likes to be occupied by a foreign army very much
We're still in most countries that we've fought in since WW2. What makes Iraq any different?

It politically unstable. An foreign army is only going to make it worse.
lol

Pulling out releases our political influence on the country and gives them the possibility of being our enemy. Perhaps you guys don't understand this. We put ourselves before we put other countries. Well... we used to.

I understand. Get America the fuck out of my homeland! I need to start and oil giant over there!

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Post by Angatar on Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:37 pm

Nocbl2 wrote:No, I am a media shit monster.
He sent a bunch of dudes to Iraq, were we don't belong, which made USA spend billions of $ on the quote 'war'.
There was no purpose whatsoever, only to let him make money, while sending the rest of America into a big giant shithole.
Then, we elected Obama because he wanted to get troops out of Iraq, which he hasn't done. Obama just re fucked us, so US is screwed in to a
tiny wooden board.
1. They are volunteers, the want to be there.
2. ...
3. You try take out a whole army in less than 2 months.
4. How can you be inside a board? You mean a box?
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Post by Zaki90 on Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:31 pm

Angatar wrote:
Nocbl2 wrote:No, I am a media shit monster.
He sent a bunch of dudes to Iraq, were we don't belong, which made USA spend billions of $ on the quote 'war'.
There was no purpose whatsoever, only to let him make money, while sending the rest of America into a big giant shithole.
Then, we elected Obama because he wanted to get troops out of Iraq, which he hasn't done. Obama just re fucked us, so US is screwed in to a
tiny wooden board.
1. They are volunteers, the want to be there.
2. ...
3. You try take out a whole army in less than 2 months.
4. How can you be inside a board? You mean a box?

About half the troops in Iraq wanna go home. They did not wanna be there. Many do it for benefits like free college.

3. Which army?

4. I think he means a cubical box.

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