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Post by PiEdude on Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:18 am

KristallNacht wrote:
PiEman wrote:Every single person on the planet now has at one time been an embryo.
At that time they also lacked the ability to sense any emotion.
Yes, I am aware that they are not yet self aware, but it is their potential to be self aware, not their current state of being, but their POTENTIAL future as a human.

Even the Japanese?

I said human...
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Post by Jamiesway on Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:23 am

no comment herez
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Post by PiEdude on Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:24 am

Jamiesway wrote:no comment herez
Jamie, please gtfo of the Debate Section.
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Post by Toaster on Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:44 am

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ReconToaster wrote:The fact is, when victims of the holocaust were taken to concentration camps, they were either killed or emotionally disfigured for the rest of their lives and had to live with terrible pain.

Those who were killed had families who were probably left miserable after what happened.

I care about the feelings of living, breathing humans... not those of things that cannot interpret feelings in any way, shape, or form.

The fact is, Recon, that you continue to use the exact same useless words to counter what I'm trying to tell you.
It has POTENTIAL!

I'm saying that when people are killed through genocide, they experience great pain, both emotionally, as well as physically. People who they know are deeply affected as well. If an embryo is aborted, it likely did not have the POTENTIAL to grow up in a time and area of genocide and be killed and have others around him be affected. It also does not experience any pain, emotional or otherwise.

It's as if you're trying to say that people from the future will be sad about the friends they know being aborted preumptively and are therefore affected?

You are arguing based on stuborn principle, and not thinking things through. Yes, they have the potential of one day being humans with love and compassion for others... but when they are aborted... they experience no pain, emotional trouble, and none around them is at all emotionally affected by the personal loss.

I don't value life based on the mere principle that it is "Life." I value it on feelings that humans can feel... which an embryo cannot.
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Post by PiEdude on Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:05 pm

ReconToaster wrote:
PiEman wrote:
ReconToaster wrote:The fact is, when victims of the holocaust were taken to concentration camps, they were either killed or emotionally disfigured for the rest of their lives and had to live with terrible pain.

Those who were killed had families who were probably left miserable after what happened.

I care about the feelings of living, breathing humans... not those of things that cannot interpret feelings in any way, shape, or form.

The fact is, Recon, that you continue to use the exact same useless words to counter what I'm trying to tell you.
It has POTENTIAL!

I'm saying that when people are killed through genocide, they experience great pain, both emotionally, as well as physically. People who they know are deeply affected as well. If an embryo is aborted, it likely did not have the POTENTIAL to grow up in a time and area of genocide and be killed and have others around him be affected. It also does not experience any pain, emotional or otherwise.

It's as if you're trying to say that people from the future will be sad about the friends they know being aborted preumptively and are therefore affected?

You are arguing based on stuborn principle, and not thinking things through. Yes, they have the potential of one day being humans with love and compassion for others... but when they are aborted... they experience no pain, emotional trouble, and none around them is at all emotionally affected by the personal loss.

I don't value life based on the mere principle that it is "Life." I value it on feelings that humans can feel... which an embryo cannot.

Toaster, you're an atheist correct?

So to you, life, (as meaningless and unimportant as it may be) has only one shot, and there is no reincarnation or afterlife.
Abortion is robbing them of that one chance.
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Post by CivBase on Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:29 pm

DOWN WITH ABORTION! UP WITH COOKIES!!!




















That is all...

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Post by Gauz on Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:07 pm

PiEman wrote:
KristallNacht wrote:
PiEman wrote:Every single person on the planet now has at one time been an embryo.
At that time they also lacked the ability to sense any emotion.
Yes, I am aware that they are not yet self aware, but it is their potential to be self aware, not their current state of being, but their POTENTIAL future as a human.

Even the Japanese?

I said human...

Japanese are aliens
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Post by Ryan on Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:14 pm

x Gauz x wrote:
PiEman wrote:
KristallNacht wrote:
PiEman wrote:Every single person on the planet now has at one time been an embryo.
At that time they also lacked the ability to sense any emotion.
Yes, I am aware that they are not yet self aware, but it is their potential to be self aware, not their current state of being, but their POTENTIAL future as a human.

Even the Japanese?

I said human...

Japanese are aliens

Haha... good one. Now can we get back on topic?

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Post by KristallNacht on Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:10 pm

PiEman wrote:
Abortion is robbing them of that one chance.

OR not. It's actually protecting them from how much life inherently sucks
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Post by BBJynne on Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:36 pm

Life doesn't suck.

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Post by Toaster on Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:16 pm

Pie wrote:Toaster, you're an atheist correct?

So to you, life, (as meaningless and unimportant as it may be) has only one shot, and there is no reincarnation or afterlife.
Abortion is robbing them of that one chance.

A concept which they will never know nor care about. If they don't care, why should I?
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Post by KristallNacht on Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:18 pm

BBJynne wrote:Life doesn't suck.

Prove it.
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Post by BBJynne on Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:33 pm

KristallNacht wrote:
BBJynne wrote:Life doesn't suck.

Prove it.

I like it.

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Post by thane321 on Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:45 pm

ReconToaster wrote:

I don't value life based on the mere principle that it is "Life." I value it on feelings that humans can feel... which an embryo cannot.
so, as long as you're not looking and anaesthetised i can chop your leg off?

KristallNacht wrote:
PiEman wrote:
Abortion is robbing them of that one chance.

OR not. It's actually protecting them from how much life inherently sucks

life sucks, but is still life
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Post by PiEdude on Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:18 pm

ReconToaster wrote:

A concept which they will never know nor care about. If they don't care, why should I?
There's a fairly huge difference between not caring and not being given the chance to care.
KristallNacht wrote:

OR not. It's actually protecting them from how much life inherently sucks
Shouldn't they be able to decide that for themselves?
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Post by kslidz on Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:27 pm

I'm pro choice
I think you make the choice when you decide to have sex. and then even if you do if you don't take every pre caution then you shouldn't be able to kill an embryo. I know real old arguement. But if you don't believe in god it doesn't really matter does it.

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Post by KristallNacht on Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:46 pm

PiEman wrote:Shouldn't they be able to decide that for themselves?

But, if we give them all the chance, the worlds housing and land issues will just grow. Overpopulation is a problem.
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Post by kslidz on Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:19 am

then dont get pregnant

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Post by KristallNacht on Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:11 pm

well condoms are only 99.9% effective.
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Post by Toaster on Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:29 pm

kslidz wrote:I know real old arguement. But if you don't believe in god it doesn't really matter does it.

If I believed in your god, then I would believe that aborted fetuses/embryos got to heaven, so I'd likely be an even stronger supporter of abortion.

Do you really think a child looking down from heaven would think "Oh boy, I sure wish I could be on Earth right now!" ?

Looking down from heaven and wishing to be on earth is like looking into a volcano and thinking how great it would be to swim in the lava.
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Post by KrAzY on Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:15 pm

speak for your self


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Post by PiEdude on Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:38 pm

KristallNacht wrote:well condoms are only 99.9% effective.

Unless they're TrojansTM.
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Post by kslidz on Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:56 pm

the reason they would want to enter the earth is the same reason Jesus came to Earth

to help others not for selfish desires

and also im not super sure about the abortions straight to heaven thing

and also i believe we take ourselves (not possessions but our personalities and what things we did for God) to heaven with us

so if a person never has a chance to develop then its worse

also by your logic i should kill you cause you think life sucks so id be helping you out

do you mind if i kill you?

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Post by Cheese on Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:04 pm

Yeah, I'm pretty sure original sin prevents foetuses going to heaven. Good old purgatory. Could easily be wrong though.

Also most people are arguing that life doesn't suck Razz I think that life has the capacity to suck, but doesn't for most people here. Life is teh r0x0r

Also I'm cool with stem cells. Sometime's it's a little harder than 'not getting pregnant'. I never did get why aborters didn't just put the kid in adoption.

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Post by kslidz on Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:07 pm

im not catholic
there is no purgatory mentioned in the Bible
i dont believe it exists
because i have seen no proof in any shape

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